Is Satan a Mormon god?

[_Amore]

I hadn't considered truth as masculine & conscious as feminine, but maybe - if they are like yin/yang - inseparably interconnected. Truth to me is always based on my conscious. When I consciously learn that my idea of truth was mistaken, I may correct it, but it's still all done through my perception.

What is yin and yang when it comes to good and evil? Must there be some evil, to reveal good? Visa versa? I realize good and evil are relative - depends on context. But generally, evil could be considered extra suffering - would that be necessary for joy/good?

[_SPG]

Evil doesn't exist in the traditional sense of the word. There is knowing and not knowing, or rather conscious and unconscious.

God, who is all knowing feels all pain. It seems different to him because he has the big picture. But say that he did something, he would instantly know all effects and reactions. If he hurt someone, he would instantly feel the pain't.

But, to create baby God's, God like consciousness had to be placed in deep illusion. We cannot know everything as our parent does because it would destroy our individuality. Our sole/soul is an individual God potential lacking the awareness. The veil is the energy veil, or e-veil, or evil.

The nature of consciousness would instantly inform us of all effects of our actions. But, with the veil we don't see it. So we can hurt people without feeling the pain. Karma is that any pain we cause is not forgotten, but rather cached in a "ignore this for now" file.

In a sense, these bits of ignorance are our demons. Truth still happens even when we ignore it. We must, as we can, face these demons we create. However, they are only created by the standard we believe in. In a culture that allowed adultery, no guilt demons would created by such acts. Demons are created when a part of your consciousness believes you have sinned. Thus the righteous always have more demons.

But, life teaches us about right and wrong. Once the consciousness thinks it knows the rules, so you will be judged. Thus.....don't judge. Even if a person lives by two standards, there is a core belief that we are judged by.

But, the universe is a good place. It is not evil or neutral. It is good. The system is self correcting. Disobedience to the laws of life cause pain. When a person is in enough pain, they quit and start over, or change direction. But the lessons are to teach, not punish.

[_Maksutov]

The veil is the energy veil, or e-veil, or evil.

Franktalk officially has competition.

[Guest]

Maksutov,
Your comment shows you're lack of understanding and an inability to respond logically, so once again, you resort to logical fallacy. If you have nothing to offer a conversation, it's best to not try to put someone down just because you feel incapable of responding reasonably.


SPG,
I can see what you mean about evil and how it is based on ignorance - ignoring that we cause suffering, and thereby suffering is increased. Maybe evil involves an inability to empathize - to the extreme - sociopaths. But most people, it's simply a limited consideration of possibilities of the consequences of their actions.

Everyone has some evil ways, but some have habits and refuse to take response-ability, and instead blame and hurt others for their problems. They never heal because the solution (in their eyes) is always some external factor beyond their control.

[_Maksutov]

Maksutov,
Your comment shows you're lack of understanding and an inability to respond logically, so once again, you resort to logical fallacy.

If you have nothing to offer a conversation, it's best to not try to put someone down just because you feel incapable of responding reasonably.

Really, Amore? I think I get to comment as I wish. Some posts deserve less rigorous response. I certainly will not be seeking your approval. It's rich that you would accuse someone else of being illogical. If you don't like my posts, ignore them. If you want to go toe to toe, let's move it elsewhere.

[_SuperDell]

Who is identified as The God of This World in the Temple?

[_Amore]

Who is identified as The God of This World in the Temple?

Satan, but of course it is stated not in ideal, but in the actual behavior of all people, to some extent. Paul Tillech defined god as one's "ultimate concern." Satan represents a selfish desire to make others pay for our own problems. This happens all of the time.

Even in the church, people will hurt others in order to preserve their "good standing" in the church. They worship the church over God. They love a false god (church) over loving their own family - breaking the 2 greatest commandments. In this way, the church is evil, but it's also good - encouraging people to serve each other, etc. It's not all-or-nothing. GOoD and Evil both rule this world. As Kobe Bryant said, we just "chase perfection."

[_SPG]

SPG,
I can see what you mean about evil and how it is based on ignorance - ignoring that we cause suffering, and thereby suffering is increased. Maybe evil involves an inability to empathize - to the extreme - sociopaths. But most people, it's simply a limited consideration of possibilities of the consequences of their actions.

Everyone has some evil ways, but some have habits and refuse to take response-ability, and instead blame and hurt others for their problems. They never heal because the solution (in their eyes) is always some external factor beyond their control.

Good Afternoon, Amore,

I never quite convince people that evil is not what it seems. I expect it. However, I do it see it clearly and continue my effort to erase the idea that some evil force is out to get us, aside from our own demons.

As an engineer, you learn there are many different words and terms for what eventually becomes a science. Lightning, is just voltage, amps, and resistance. Light (electric light) is the same, so is motor motion.

The idea that consciousness is the base of what we consider good and evil helps us understand it.

Want (equal to voltage) is a basic element of consciousness. Without want, there is no reason to move. In terms of consciousness, want is the motivator. But, we might want to be calm, or we might want to eat, or we might want to love, etc.

The core consciousness is innocent, but say that it wants . . . . sex. There is nothing wrong with that, but technique is everything. If we hurt someone in getting what we want, natural consciousness would instantly inform us. We would feel the pain, we would stop.

Because of the illusion of separation, we don't feel the pain right away. So for example, say this desire for sex turns to rape. If the illusion wasn't in place, the pain would be felt, it would never happen again. But, it wasn't. Maybe the person liked it, tried it again, liked it again, etc. We call this "evil." But really, it's just ignorance that hasn't caught up to them yet. It will, it will hurt.

But, the desires that began it all, are actually good, natural and necessary. The desire to eat, for home, for friends, for love, etc. They are all good desires. But the method to obtain is what we work on. It's OK to have sex, but we have rules. Not because it is righteous, but because people can get hurt. Some people have felt the pain.

The evil we must face, is our own demons, created from our own ignorance. But, in the advanced chapter of the book, there is the ignorance and karma of cultures. Like, when someone dies of cancer. Is it that person's fault they got cancer? No, but the culture is ignorant of wrong doing and people of the culture are dying. When we admit what we are ignoring and face it, the evil goes away.

[_Maksutov]

The evil we must face, is our own demons, created from our own ignorance. But, in the advanced chapter of the book, there is the ignorance and karma of cultures. Like, when someone dies of cancer. Is it that person's fault they got cancer? No, but the culture is ignorant of wrong doing and people of the culture are dying. When we admit what we are ignoring and face it, the evil goes away.

Morality. What is it? Where does it come from? Can it be shared? Should it be enforced? How? It's becoming increasingly important as we grow more interconnected locally and globally.

[_SPG]

Morality is an agreed upon set of social rules.

The rules should be layered. Some to be worth your life, others to cause shame.

All should focus on improving the culture. They can range from personal safety to which is the appropriate tie color for Saturday afternoon tea. If you break the big rules such as breaking into someone's home and stealing their property you should not have an equal place in the society. If you wear the wrong tie color for tea it should make you blush.