Maksutov wrote:Really, Ed? I'm the one at fault here? I don't think so.
You want really, seriously, intend to put the burden of the choice of where your life is going on the brethren? Yes, indeed. Really. You are, really, truly, responsible for your own choice. As much as an alcoholic is responsible for a choice. Talk about burden shifting. Sorry. That one REALLY doesn't fly. And rejection of the pure and logic of what I have just presented says a lot about the lack of willingness of ex-Mormons to accept responsibility for their own choices. Sorry, yes, you are responsible for your own eventual loss of exaltation if you don't come back to the Church. That is your own doing. You have the choice in spite of Packer and Hinckley.
Hey, I have higher standards than you do. You're so defensive here, it's clear I've hit a nerve. Because I've described it accurately. I'm not the one lying repeatedly to the world about what my people did but that's your leaders. Your choice.
I know what happened in my life, Ed. Mormonism tied it up in knots and divided my family. It can be ugly. It can be cultish. I've seen it. I own my life but I'll also point out what I learned. You don't have to like it. The church is run by corporate drones and attorneys who pretend to divine powers. It's ludicrous but protected by the First Amendment. That's how it is, and it isn't as bad as some other religious groups. But these "apostles" and really, people who call themselves "saints" collectively, obviously have some rather inflated opinions of themselves. I seriously question whether that is based in anything resembling reality.
EdGoble wrote:Sorry, yes, you are responsible for your own eventual loss of exaltation if you don't come back to the Church.
I choose to believe Joseph was at best a pious fraud based on a lot of evidence, as well as seeing how poor the spiritual experience is as supposed communication tool from the divine. How would it be fair to deny one like me exaltation for following the evidence as I best understand it?
Themis wrote: How would it be fair to deny one like me exaltation for following the evidence as I best understand it?
One is not exalted by following evidence. For ultimately the evidence leads nowhere. But when we believe, even make believe, we can play games and pretend we are something. When the sums are run, we are nothing, as Moses saw.
Themis wrote: How would it be fair to deny one like me exaltation for following the evidence as I best understand it?
One is not exalted by following evidence. For ultimately the evidence leads nowhere. But when we believe, even make believe, we can play games and pretend we are something. When the sums are run, we are nothing, as Moses saw.
The question is meant for LDS who think LDS exaltation will be based on what we believed without knowing what was really true. You seem to have a knack at using words without really saying anything.
Quasimodo wrote:Noah must have had room on the Ark for an awful lot of plant pots (probably worse than my back patio).
Yes, the pot plants are with us, so Noah must have brought a few along on board. The idea of the glowing rocks of the brother of Jared was first utilized by Noah to keep the pot plants alive. There were more varieties back in the day but Noah offered them up for a burnt offering unto the Lard which explains why a thousand years is as a day unto the Lard.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
bomgeography wrote:The purpose of the Bible and scripture is bring people closer to God and Christ. In that way it does it just fine.
How can the scriptures, the studying of which dulls the intellectual capacity, be of God if the glory of God is intelligence? I will unfold this mystery unto you. Those who enter this world with problems such as down syndrome are assured of a celestial glory. They are too pure to be exposed to the evils of this world. Our heavenly father is one such exalted individual. That is why studying the scriptures brings us closer to God. It enlarges the down syndrome within us. All of us possess a little of this as we are his offspring! (When is the last time you lost your car keys? QED.)
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Quasimodo wrote:Noah must have had room on the Ark for an awful lot of plant pots (probably worse than my back patio).
Yes, the pot plants are with us, so Noah must have brought a few along on board. The idea of the glowing rocks of the brother of Jared was first utilized by Noah to keep the pot plants alive. There were more varieties back in the day but Noah offered them up for a burnt offering unto the Lard which explains why a thousand years is as a day unto the Lard.
Clever!
A view of Noah's world as the waters recede. Nothing to eat and a boat load of hungry animals.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Clever!