Is the Open Stories Foundation in meltdown mode?

[_cwald]

It looks like Kristy Money, another female Open Stories Foundation member, does not agree with Kate.

Kristy Money wote: Thank you all for the positive discussion and support. I love this community--I am happy and satisfied to be contributing in my small way. In my partnership with you John and Open Stories Foundation I have always felt supported, unafraid to stand up for and negotiate anything privately. Thank you for your friendship and allyship.

[_Mayan Elephant]

I still don't think the relevancy of Rosebud's story is contingent on the details.

This spectacle you describe with the quotes is only interesting because it is a pattern from the Open Stories Foundation. Someone gets used and discarded. Dehlin is such a hero. He bans and censors. The sycophants rally. Move on.

I'm not sure even Kate fitting into the pattern is a significant story or event.

[Guest]

I still don't think the relevancy of Rosebud's story is contingent on the details.

This spectacle you describe with the quotes is only interesting because it is a pattern from the Open Stories Foundation. Someone gets used and discarded. Dehlin is such a hero. He bans and censors. The sycophants rally. Move on.

I'm not sure even Kate fitting into the pattern is a significant story or event.

Perhaps, but is it significant that even Gina Colvin, who Kate accused John Dehlin of getting "used and discarded" which caused all this ruckus, comes out and defends Dehlin and basically tells Kate it is not an issue? Or does that make her a sycophant?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Wait. Is Rosebud KK's sockpuppet? Because if that were the case it'd explain soooooo much.

- Doc

[_Polygamy-Porter]

The rift in the Open Stories Foundation and the DAMU just keeps tearing. I mean, Open Stories Foundation and OW are suppose to be allies, right?

Here is a typical comment/response that keeps popping up on social media.

a person wrote: I stood up for you against the public 'shamer' and I had no regrets. Public shaming is a common Mormon tactic which apparently the person whose name I will not speak decided to use against you. It triggered extreme feelings of anger.

I am glad she unfriended me, I never learned a thing from her.

[_Polygamy-Porter]

Wait. Is Rosebud KK's sockpuppet? Because if that were the case it'd explain soooooo much.

- Doc

+1000

[Guest]

Probably need to post John's response on KK Facebook page, to be fair to Dehlin. It is just a lot of gibberish to me to be honest, but what I find fascinating, Mayan Elephant, is how "corporate" sounding this whole movement has become. I mean he sites boards and directors, compensation packages, operations and management positions etc. You certainly called that one years ago. I really don't think MS was started with the vision of a money making enterprise or business model or boosting careers etc, but it has certainly ended up that way.

Is it capitalism at it's best? Or just the price of business and the natural consequence of magnanimous folks trying to help others? Or is it predatory, taking advantage of people in their weakest moments during life changing crisis?

I don't know.

John Dehlin wrote: Just a quick response. The Open Stories Foundation board and I have been working very hard over the past several months to arrive at podcaster compensation model that is simultaneously in compliance with 501c3 regulations, and is also both fair and sustainable.

In July, 2016 the Open Stories Foundation board tentatively approved a 2 cents/per download compensation model for Open Stories Foundation podcasters (loosely modeled after the way bloggers are compensated) -- but has held off on implementing this approach out of concern for how it might be unfair to female podcasters, since female podcasters within Mormonism for some reason tend to generate less downloads than male podcasters.

In October, 2016 at the Vermont Open Stories Foundation board retreat we discussed this equity concern, and the board unanimously approved the idea of creating a special Open Stories Foundation female podcaster scholarship fund to help make up for the likely inequities of the 2 cents/download model. We have been waiting to roll out this plan until after we hired our new director of operations, and until after we discussed these final concerns with all the Open Stories Foundation podcasters.

Now that the new director of operations has been hired (as of two days ago), we are scheduling a meeting with all podcasters to discuss and finalize a podcaster compensation model. We plan on rolling this out as soon as is humanly possible.

Finally, we track in great detail donations per podcast. We have not spent a dime of the Mormon Transitions podcast donations, and have always intended to pay Kristy Money fully and fairly for her wonderful work. We have only been waiting on the completion of the podcaster compensation plan to begin paying Kristy (as she only began podcasting for us this year). Kristy absolutely wil be paid for her work this year.

If Open Stories Foundation donors have ideas for how we can arrive at the most fair and sustainable method for paying podcasters, that remains in compliance with 501c3 regulations, we would love your feedback.

For those who are interested in donating directly to support female podcasters, we will have that link up very soon.

For those who haven't yet donated to any Mormon female podcasters - I would ask you to consider why you haven't stepped up to support Mormon female podcasters to date.

Thanks for the feedback and concern.

Love and gratitude to all.

[_Mayan Elephant]

Perhaps, but is it significant that even Gina Colvin, who Kate accused John Dehlin of getting "used and discarded" which caused all this ruckus, comes out and defends Dehlin and basically tells Kate it is not an issue? Or does that make her a sycophant?

if you are asking me, i have no idea. and no, that does not make one a sycophant.

if you're not asking me and merely making the point that there are people that do not fit the pattern, well, isn't that always the case?

i have no dog in this one. i only know of kate kelly, and never knew her. i recall getting my head handed to me over here for not believing she was christess on earth, here to be martyred for all humankind. i have never approved of her antics and no doubt, if this was all an act, it would not shock me at all. i never tied these clowns together the way others did. i thought dehlin was always attaching himself to the OW thing just as he did with the LGBTQ stuff long after he disavowed himself of their stuff and then avowed himself of their stuff.

cwald, what the hell is the real issue here? seriously. what the hell is it? it cannot be that someone had a beef with Open Stories Foundation. that has been going on for over a decade. it cannot be that a woman had a rift with dehlin or Open Stories Foundation. that has been going on for longer than the rifts with the general public. it cannot be about the causes (women, lgbtq, etc.) as Open Stories Foundation has been on every side of everything until it isn't, and done just fine.

is it the censoring and editing and deleting and the public display of unaffection? i am just not seeing any red meat here to watch at all. appreciate the fella there with the popcorn and the front row seats, but what the hell is there to even watch?

i chatted with Rosebud a bit today, i can assure you, she ain't kate. but that is one helluva funny idea there. i mean damn funny. like a great movie plot twist kind of funny. i think we should cast that one. noah baumbach is the obvious director for that show.

[_Mayan Elephant]

Is it capitalism at it's best? Or just the price of business and the natural consequence of magnanimous folks trying to help others? Or is it predatory, taking advantage of people in their weakest moments during life changing crisis?

that is the funniest damn thing. i am laughing so damn hard. you would think that Amazon just merged with ExxonMobil and is expressing their heartfelt plan to radicalize the delivery of gasoline to women. all women. every single woman. and if you have any willingness to contribute to this sincere plan, please donate or consume. thank you, all, so, so very much.

but your questions? it is a business and a hobby and a passion. some people go to work so they can race cars on dirt tracks with their buddies. some people go into the dirt track racing business because that is what they love to do. dehlin is like that. he loves this crap. so he went all in. it is just a goddamn business. it was never meant to help people or save people, except for the part where making people feel helped or saved was good for business. he is just a wanker with an exmormon business.

you seem to have a better eye on this stuff than i ever will. is the issue, really, the commissions on downloads? or, is it that the likelihood of a woman running a business like dehlin's, among exmormons, would ever thrive at all. is it the commissions that is unequal, or the opportunity for a livelihood in this game?

[_cwald]

i only know of kate kelly, and never knew her. i recall getting my head handed to me over here for not believing she was christess on earth, here to be martyred for all humankind. i have never approved of her antics and no doubt, if this was all an act, it would not shock me at all. i never tied these clowns together the way others did. i thought dehlin was always attaching himself to the OW thing just as he did with the LGBTQ stuff long after he disavowed himself of their stuff and then avowed himself of their stuff.

Yeah. You may very well be right.