TheHopefulWidowsSon wrote:Off the shore of Lake Michigan (Book of Mormon West Sea) Grand Traverse Bay buried under 40 feet of water are petroglyphs.
I only see evidence of one petroglyph on one boulder. You use the plural "petroglyphs." What am I missing?
These petroglyphs are most likely the remains of a Nephite city caused by the calamities just before Christ visit to the Nephite people.
"Most likely?" I don't think so. Once again. It's one petroglyph on one boulder. The petroglyph, if it even is one, is dated at least 12,000 years old. How does this make the most likely conclusion an entire Nephite city at the time of Christ? Is every petroglyph everywhere a sign of a Nephite city? What makes this one so special?
In 3Ne chapter 8 it states that cities were sunk the city of Moroni being sunk into the depths of the sea.
Are you missing a comma, or is there a better way to phrase this sentence? I have no real problems with this one sentence other than it's general disdain for grammar.
These petroglyphs found in Lake Michigan also known as the west sea is evidence of a Nephite city being sunk into the depths of the sea.
Once again you're claiming that more than one petroglyph is found. Your linked article disagrees with this fact. Is your position that Lake Michigan is the west sea referenced in the Book of Mormon? That seems like quite a jump and introduces a number of other problems. Also, why is this evidence that the city must be Nephite? Why can't it be evidence that it's Lamanite, or Jaredite, or literally anything else? How is this evidence that there was a city here at all? Oh, that's right, there isn't any.
One of the boulder petroglyphs found in Lake Michigan has a depiction of a mastodon. As described “Viewed together, they suggest the outlines of a mastodon-like back, hump, head, trunk, tusk, triangular shaped ear and parts of legs…”
Hmm, sounds like the jury is still out on this one. One guy thinks it looks kind of like a mastodon? So what? Humans and mastodons coexisted. As a matter of fact there is significant evidence that over-hunting by humans caused the mastodons to go extinct. . . many thousands of years before what you are claiming happened. Not just a couple years, or dozens, or hundreds. . . 10,000!
These descriptions fit extremely well with the Book of Mormon.
Nope. Not only do they not fit extremely well, they don't even fit well. I've already listed a number of reasons, but you know that, don't you? I think now you're just being dishonest. Nobody without an ulterior motive would ever make this statement honestly.
First of all the Jaredites mention that they had elephants. The assumption here is that mastodons are the elephants mentioned in the Book of Mormon.
Meh, okay. Not sure why they couldn't just use the word "mastodon." It's not like people at this time in this area weren't familiar with the word.
Some scientist believes mastodons went extinct due to human predation around 10000BC predating the Book of Mormon.
"Some" scientist believes this? The way you write this in the singular is peculiar. Was this just another mistake on your part, or are you being completely dishonest now? I don't know of any scientist that has ever published anything indicating anything other than the fact that mastodons went extinct 12,000 years ago. Can you find even one? A more honest statement would be "Scientists believe mastodons went extinct due to human predation around 10,000 BC, predating the Book of Mormon."
Historical accounts show that not all mastodons were extinct at that time. Thomas Jefferson was told that mastodons inhabited the Great Lakes area. David Cusic when living with the Iroquois was told of a large animal that ransacked their village that was attributed as a Mammoth.
Bahahah! Okay. If I can find "historical" references to aliens, unicorns, dragons, or Vishnu does that mean that they all existed during that time? Please.
Early settlers found Indian smoke pipes in the shape of Mastodons/elephants.
Humans and mastodons co-existed. No one is arguing against this. In no way is this evidence of your hypothesis. Also, the very book that you took the images from mentions that there were replicas and frauds that came out of this time. Not only that but you offer no dating for any of this. All of the evidence, once again, works against your claim.
The petroglyphs found in Lake Michigan are described as being Stonehenge like.
Where are the petroglyphs described this way? Not in the article you linked. Also, where are the other petroglyphs? I thought we already established that there was only one. The stones are described as "Stonehenge-like," but even the article you linked mentions that it is hard to tell if these stones were arranged like this on purpose. Did you read the article?
There is no evidence that Neolithic hunters and gatherers were capable of moving boulders to make Stonehenge 10000 years ago.
What? You mean the hunters and gatherers in North America, or the people that created Stonehenge? So, if nobody had the technology, did aliens do it? Now you admit that this happened 10,000 years ago (it was actually at least, 12,000 years ago, probably more), but still claim that this is evidence of a Nephite city that sank during the time of Christ? Also, the boulders here are significantly smaller than Stonehenge. Did you miss that part of the article too?
The Stonehenge description of the petroglyphs is a very fitting description.
Nope.
Haplo group x is a founding dna marker found in Native Americans with its highest concentration found in the Great Lakes area. Besides being found in the middle east an Israel it also found in Scotland with the highest concentrations of Europe found in the Orkney Island above Scotland.
Oh dear. I won't even touch this one again. This haplo-group x stuff just won't die, even though it's been killed already by Mormon geneticists. People have gone rounds with you on this one already on this very subreddit and you still don't understand how it works.
The Greek Cross (sun cross) was a very important religious not only to the Hopewell Indians and the Mississippian Indian culture but also to the Celts of Europe. Each of them tied not only the haplo group x dna maker but through culture.
There you go again. By the way, the last time you posted this "Greek Cross" thing I commented on how it was also a mistake and you never replied to that.
I'm sure you'll want to hurry and make the changes to your article to reflect what is actually said in your own references. While you're at it you should fix the 12 different fonts in your article and stick with just one.
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