Buried Nephite City and Book of Mormon Elephants

[_Lemmie]

Its proven that Israel has the most diverse concentration of Haplo Group x. Its also proven that the Closest genetic relative to native American haplo group x is Iranians. Because Israel has the most diverse concentration of haplo group x its only natural for scientist to theorize that haplo group x distributed from the Israel.

see link
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0

Thank you, tapirrider, you made my day.

[_SteelHead]

Bomgeos world
http://www.newyorker.com/cartoons/a20602

[_bomgeography]

To differentiate between a Solutrean and Beringiansource for X2a, one must look instead at the phylogeo-graphy of the most recent ancestors of X2a (Figure 1).X2a'J is the clade that unites X2a and its nearest sisterclade, X2j (Fernandes et al. 2012; Reidla et al. 2003).The geographic distribution of X2'j haplotypes especially those with some of the defining mutations for X2a (indicating that they belong to the lineagethat led to X2 would be informative to this ques-tion, but no contemporary or ancient individuals belonging to these lineages have been identified, with the possible exception of one individual from Iran with the X2a'j defining transition at mitochondrialnucleotide position 12397.

See link to see more evidence on this mystery but explained by the Book of Mormon

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html

Your link above is to your own essay, which contains no proof or even argument, and which has been thoroughly discredited many times over on multiple forums and by many people, who have supported their debunking with legitimate, academically accepted references. Anyone can read the dismantling of your pseudo-science by simply searching threads you have authored. You have no credibility.

So I ask for the third time, can you explain why you included non-new, thoroughly debunked dna stuff and called it "new" in this latest post? And why you are now re-posting it again, after abandoning multiple threads where your work has been proven wrong and you have been asked about it but refused to respond?

Your behavior is getting very close to ldsfaqs-troll level. What's your point?

(and, as has been pointed out to you before, posting other people's work without attribution is PLAGIARISM. Please provide a reference for the para above that you lifted wholesale from a published article. )

The quote is from a academia they can accept the fact that x2a'j is the closest genetic link to Native American haplo group x in Iran. The particular paper was written to disprove a trans ocean crossing. But she can't around the fact the Native American haplo group x link is found in Iran. You guys just can't accept the facts.

https://www.academia.edu/17871358/Does_ ... Evaluation

Native American old world and Hebrew artifacts, customs, language, etc all bear truth to the genetic research proving not only genetic but cultural link to Israel Iran etc

[_tapirrider]

But she can't around the fact the Native American haplo group x link is found in Iran. You guys just can't accept the facts.

David McKane, we have been through this before. Haplogroup x2a IS NOT found in Iran. The link you are trying to make is not there. Haplogroup x2a'j is not an ancestral link. The common ancestor dates back so long ago before the time of Israel that it cannot by any means be considered evidence for your claims.

You just keep on repeating false claims about DNA, and now you include known hoax elephant effigy pipes, which we can add to your use of the known hoax Michigan relics.

[_Lemmie]

But she can't around the fact the Native American haplo group x link is found in Iran.

You really need to stop abusing this author's work with your utter misunderstanding of science.

from your reference, McKane, once again:

The idea that haplogroup X2a is derived from an ancient trans-Atlantic migration to the Americas has been repeatedly considered — and rejected — by anthropological geneticists over the last two decades

Meldrum...suggested that X2a is the result of an ancient Hebrew migration from the Middle East to North America....

This hypothesis is undermined, though, by four key findings: X2a is not found in the Middle East, none of the X2 lineages present in the Middle East are immediately ancestral to X2a, the date of coalescence for X2a (14,200 – 17,000 cal year BP) significantly precedes the hypothesized migration from the Middle East (Perego et al. 2009), and haplogroup X2a was present in North America far earlier than the hypothesized Hebrew migration, having been found in the – 8400 cal year BP Kennewick Man remains from Washington state (Rasmussen et al. 2015).

Thus, X2a does not provide any evidence for an ancient Hebrew migration from the Middle East to North America.

But you still didn't answer my question:

So I ask for the third time, can you explain why you included non-new, thoroughly debunked dna stuff and called it "new" in this latest post?

And why you are now re-posting it again, after abandoning multiple threads where your work has been proven wrong and you have been asked about it but refused to respond?

Your behavior is getting very close to ldsfaqs-troll level.

What's your point?

[_bomgeography]

But she can't around the fact the Native American haplo group x link is found in Iran.

You really need to stop abusing this author's work with your utter misunderstanding of science.

from your reference, McKane, once again:

The idea that haplogroup X2a is derived from an ancient trans-Atlantic migration to the Americas has been repeatedly considered — and rejected — by anthropological geneticists over the last two decades

Meldrum...suggested that X2a is the result of an ancient Hebrew migration from the Middle East to North America....

This hypothesis is undermined, though, by four key findings: X2a is not found in the Middle East, none of the X2 lineages present in the Middle East are immediately ancestral to X2a, the date of coalescence for X2a (14,200 – 17,000 cal year BP) significantly precedes the hypothesized migration from the Middle East (Perego et al. 2009), and haplogroup X2a was present in North America far earlier than the hypothesized Hebrew migration, having been found in the – 8400 cal year BP Kennewick Man remains from Washington state (Rasmussen et al. 2015).

Thus, X2a does not provide any evidence for an ancient Hebrew migration from the Middle East to North America.

But you still didn't answer my question:

So I ask for the third time, can you explain why you included non-new, thoroughly debunked dna stuff and called it "new" in this latest post?

And why you are now re-posting it again, after abandoning multiple threads where your work has been proven wrong and you have been asked about it but refused to respond?

Your behavior is getting very close to ldsfaqs-troll level.

What's your point?

The point is the closest genetic link outside of North America is Iran or the Middle East. X2a'j is the linking genetic marker to Native American
haplo group x. It's the closest genetic link to x2a anyone can find

You guys wont admit this buts a proven fact

X1'2'3
X1'3
X1
X1a: found in the Levant (Druzes) and Egypt
X1c: found in the Levant (Druzes) and Tunisia. Isolated samples have been reported in Italy, Ireland and Norway.
X3
X3a: found in the Levant (Druzes), Tunisia and Spain (Asturias)
X2
X2a'j
X2a: found among Native North Americans
X2a1
X2a1a: found among the Sioux and Tanoan speakers
X2a1a1
X2a1b: found among the Ojibwe people
X2a1b1
X2a1b1a
X2a1c: found among the Ojibwe people
X2a2: found in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland
X2j: found in North Africa
X2b'd

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_X_mtDNA.shtml

[_Lemmie]

The point is the closest genetic link outside of North America is Iran or the Middle East. X2a'j is the linking genetic marker to Native American
haplo group x. It's the closest genetic link to x2a anyone can find

You guys wont admit this buts a proven fact

X1'2'3
X1'3
X1
X1a: found in the Levant (Druzes) and Egypt
X1c: found in the Levant (Druzes) and Tunisia. Isolated samples have been reported in Italy, Ireland and Norway.
X3
X3a: found in the Levant (Druzes), Tunisia and Spain (Asturias)
X2
X2a'j
X2a: found among Native North Americans
X2a1
X2a1a: found among the Sioux and Tanoan speakers
X2a1a1
X2a1b: found among the Ojibwe people
X2a1b1
X2a1b1a
X2a1c: found among the Ojibwe people
X2a2: found in Nova Scotia and Newfoundland
X2j: found in North Africa
X2b'd

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_X_mtDNA.shtml

Utter gibberish. You have no understanding of what you are reading or posting. This issue has been put to bed so many times, here is just one of those times:

Key words here are "direct gene flow". The "closest genetic link" is not direct gene flow. x2a'j is not direct gene flow.

Also, the inconclusive matter of x2a'j is clearly explained:

"However, because this transition
has been observed in other haplogroups and is
known to occur recurrently, it is unclear if this
Iranian individual belongs to the X2a’j lineage or
not (Reidla et al. 2003). X2a’s sister clade, X2j, is
also extremely rare, being found in just a few contemporary
individuals from Iran and Egypt (Fernandes
et al. 2012). It is possible that the common ancestor
of X2a and X2j originated there, but without identifying
more individuals bearing X2j or X2a’j lineages,
any inferences about the geographic origins of X2a’j
or X2a are very tenuous."

In layman's terms, common ancestry 20,000 years ago or longer is not evidence for direct gene flow during Book of Mormon times.

Additionally, you still haven't answered my question: can you explain why you are re-posting this gibberish again, after abandoning multiple threads where your work has been proven wrong and you have been asked about it but refused to respond?

Your behavior is getting very close to ldsfaqs-troll level.

What's your point?

I doubt very much you will answer, so I will finish by quoting what Simon Southerton said to you a couple of months ago, when you first began peddling this steaming pile of uneducated crap:

" You are unprofessional, biased and ignorant. Sayonara."

[_tapirrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9glto5F5oU

[_bomgeography]

There is a narrative in the exmormon and even the Mormon community there is no genetic link from America to the middle Eas you all know now that that narrative is 100%. It does not matter how much denial you have facts are facts.

[_Themis]

There is a narrative in the exmormon and even the Mormon community there is no genetic link from America to the middle Eas you all know now that that narrative is 100%. It does not matter how much denial you have facts are facts.

One should question if he/she understands the facts if they cannot convince even the ones in their own camp of their narrative. It's better to ask questions then keep spewing the same stuff even members reject bomgeography. Especially when you ignore the facts about dates.