Being a God, per core LDS teachings

[_Markk]

Markk, I have no interest in LDS talking points. The last time I sat through an LDS church service was in 1967. Yes I have read Irenaeus.

Then how does Irenaeus agree in anyway way with LDS theology?

You wrote...

One could see similarities to his (Irenaeus)understanding in Mormon, Protestant and Roman Catholic views.

I disagree.

[_huckelberry]

Markk,
Well,there is something about a creator, sin, Jesus, atonement a new life in Jesus.

[_moksha]

LDS views are heresy to both Catholic and Protestant theology.

Heresy, schmeresy! You are all goyim, boychiks.

[_Markk]

Markk,
Well,there is something about a creator, sin, Jesus, atonement a new life in Jesus.

Well yes...but I guess that is a no for discussing the OP.

[_The CCC]

SEE https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17

I recognize one of those names. Maybe after the holidays.

[_Markk]

SEE https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+17

I recognize one of those names. Maybe after the holidays.

I am very familiar with John 17, how does it complement LDS theology and their teaching that you can become a God with the same power and knowledge as HF, and create worlds for your spirit children?

Jesus Prays to Be Glorified
17 After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

You have to understand that Jesus was and is both God and Man...He made Himself a man, laying His being God to the side by reputation, to humbly die for mankind on the cross...Paul taught this very clearly in Phil 2

Phil 2:5:8

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

In John 17 when John wrote..."Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began." Here Jesus nows what he is going to do, and as a Man is not looking forward to the cross, and is praying to be with the Father as God.

This is called the Kenosis and there is much written on it and it is a awesome study.

Bottom line is how does this in anyway compliment LDS theology?

[_moksha]

The Deification ceremony among the ancient Nephites was pretty intense...

[_The CCC]

News Flash Mormons aren't Catholic or Protestant.

[_Maksutov]

News Flash Mormons aren't Catholic or Protestant.

They don't claim to be, but if you study the context of the origins of Mormonism and the narrative accompanying the alleged apostasy and restoration, you can consider the Mormons part of a milllenialist Protestant tradition that ended up including the Seventh Day Adventists. The Mormons added some more exotic/esoteric elements but I would tend to classify them as Protestants. Some critics use those same elements to deny Mormons the label of Christian. In much of their demographics, Mormons have come to resemble Evangelicals. Some Evangelicals are proud of the Protestant association while others consider themselves independent.

Joseph Smith sought membership in the Methodist Church at one point, a Protestant denomination.

[_bomgeography]

This doctrine is biblical not specific just to LDS beliefs

The Bible teaches the same thing that man can be exalted and become like Heavenly Father. Look at Jesus Christ, he was once a mortal being who is now an exalted being.

Psalms 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Christ quotes himself. John 10:34
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Christ was not perfect until after his mortal existence he learned from that which he suffered. After his resurrection only then was he perfect. Luke 13:32 Hebrew 5:8,9

32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected.

8 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Christ tells the people to be perfect like Heavenly father he does not include himself. After his resurrection and perfection he tells the Nephites to be perfect like himself and Heavenly Father.
Mathew 5:28
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
3Nephi 12:48
48 Therefore I would that ye should be perfect even as I, or your Father who is in heaven is perfect.

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: (Philippians 2)

7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. (Galatians 4)

40 The disciple is not above his master: but every one that is perfect shall be as his master. (Luke 6)

The are more verses in the Bible that talk about this but these get the point across