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bomgeography wrote:The evidence is there wether you agree with it or not.


Real evidence overwhelming shows that your ideas are wrong. Archaeologists have been speaking out for several years now to confront and challenge pseudo claims. They must, because popular TV programs and pseudo books have been misleading the public.

David, suppose I did agree with you. If I had not researched further and dug deeper, and if I had settled for seemingly convincing claims to validate the Book of Mormon, I might have thought you had tons of evidence. What if I did that instead of criticizing the errors of your claims? It still wouldn't make your claims true. And at the end of the road, you are not providing "evidence". Misrepresenting genetics doesn't make evidence. Promoting known hoax artifacts isn't evidence. And misinterpreting real artifacts isn't evidence. It all just becomes an attempt to fabricate evidence. Those things that you are doing don't hold up to even the most basic scrutiny. If you need evidence so badly that you resort to this, something is wrong.
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tapirrider wrote:
bomgeography wrote:The evidence is there wether you agree with it or not.


Real evidence overwhelming shows that your ideas are wrong. Archaeologists have been speaking out for several years now to confront and challenge pseudo claims. They must, because popular TV programs and pseudo books have been misleading the public.

David, suppose I did agree with you. If I had not researched further and dug deeper, and if I had settled for seemingly convincing claims to validate the Book of Mormon, I might have thought you had tons of evidence. What if I did that instead of criticizing the errors of your claims? It still wouldn't make your claims true. And at the end of the road, you are not providing "evidence". Misrepresenting genetics doesn't make evidence. Promoting known hoax artifacts isn't evidence. And misinterpreting real artifacts isn't evidence. It all just becomes an attempt to fabricate evidence. Those things that you are doing don't hold up to even the most basic scrutiny. If you need evidence so badly that you resort to this, something is wrong.


The evidence is fabricated? the confirmed artifacts are in museums. And the haplo group x DNA that native Americans have is from the Middle East. 16th 17th and 18th century Native American traditions are consistent with the Book of Mormon Record. Your circular arguments are getting tiresome the individual reader can decide wether the hopewell civilization matching the Nephites is the Nephites.

Something I recently found that I have not mentioned before but Joseph Smith said the Hopewell mounds were the Nephites. There is no way smith could have known the hopewell civilization matched the Nephites.
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bomgeography wrote:The evidence is fabricated? the confirmed artifacts are in museums.


Misinterpreting real artifacts isn't evidence.

Ignoring the correct understanding and attempting to claim that the artifacts represent something else is like making fabricated evidence from real artifacts in a misguided attempt to support what you want to believe.

bomgeography wrote:And the haplo group x DNA that native Americans have is from the Middle East.


Misrepresenting genetics doesn't make evidence.

bomgeography wrote:16th 17th and 18th century Native American traditions are consistent with the Book of Mormon Record.


No they are not. The actual traditions were very often misunderstood and then described in terms of the bias of the observers and writers. James Adair's book is one of the finest examples of this. When someone believed that American Indians were from ancient Hebrews that is what they saw instead of the truth. And David, you continue to do this with the Mi'kmaq. You misrepresent the characters that were developed and used by a French priest.

bomgeography wrote:Your circular arguments are getting tiresome the individual reader can decide wether the hopewell civilization matching the Nephites is the Nephites.


Please explain how my arguments are circular. From my perspective, you continue to cherry pick what you want to see and ignore the sources I try to share with you. If you feel you are going in circles the cause might be you, not my efforts to help you see the truth.

bomgeography wrote:Something I recently found that I have not mentioned before but Joseph Smith said the Hopewell mounds were the Nephites. There is no way smith could have known the hopewell civilization matched the Nephites.


Are you referring to this portion of Joseph Smith's letter to Emma dated June 4, 1834?

"wandering over the plains of the Nephites, recounting occasionaly the history of the Book of Mormon, roving over the mounds of that once beloved people of the Lord, picking up their skulls & their bones, as a proof of its divine authenticity"
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Merry Christmas Everyone to include lemmie tapir
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bomgeography wrote:Merry Christmas Everyone to include lemmie tapir

?????? Careful of that eggnog, bomgeo. Sometimes there's a little of satan's joyjuice in it. Merry Christmas.
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bomgeography wrote:Merry Christmas Everyone to include lemmie tapir


David McKane, just leave the American Indians alone.
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What a waste of a life.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
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You guys arent nice
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Studying the Book of Mormon and the descendants of the lamanites and Nephites is actually extremely fascinating.
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bomgeography
The hopewell are the Nephites.


You are the only person I have ever seen say something like this. I think it's an extraordinary claim, and I am honest here, I really do need extraordinary evidence for it. I simply don't believe this for a moment.
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