Philo Sofee wrote:bomgeography
The hopewell are the Nephites.
You are the only person I have ever seen say something like this. I think it's an extraordinary claim, and I am honest here, I really do need extraordinary evidence for it. I simply don't believe this for a moment.
What about deros?Philo Sofee wrote:I know that Mu is the only true myth however...
read it for morePlato, the Sage of classical Greece, speaks in his writings of a strange continent which, if historians and geologists are to be believed, must have lain somewhere between the island of St. Helena and the coast of Africa. The poets and philosophers of antiquity called it Atlantis, Oceania, or the Fortunate Islands.
In those days the earth was still a divinity to whom man raised altars. In those days men had not arrived at the overpowering conviction that the whole globe was nothing more than a wretched mite of a ball, which the sun, out of regard for the equilibrium of the universe, or, perhaps for the mere fun of the thing, twirls round and round. They had no idea that you
could sail completely round it; measure it; weigh it and calculate exactly how long it has lasted and how much longer it is likely to last. No! The Earth still retained the nimbus of divinity; was still regarded as immeasurable, infinite, incomprehensible; and the sun, moon, and stars were popularly supposed to be his vassals.
Above the earth was heaven; below the earth was the Styx, and the dwellers on the earth lived in intimate relations with them both. No one had an inkling that the blue expanse above was only the reflection of the sun's rays refracted through the vapours of the earth, and that neither the gods, nor the blessed, could endure to live up there for the intense cold. No one knew that only the upper rind of the earth was solid, and that in the depths below the heat was so intense that the devil himself could only exist there in a molten condition.
In those days the earth was still an unappropriated domain. The poet could picture to himself bright fairy worlds beyond the continents already known, and the popular imagination was free to people the uninhabited wilds with all manner of marvels and monsters.
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Philo Sofee wrote:bomgeography
The hopewell are the Nephites.
You are the only person I have ever seen say something like this. I think it's an extraordinary claim, and I am honest here, I really do need extraordinary evidence for it. I simply don't believe this for a moment.
bomgeography wrote:There is an incredible amount evidence to include timelines artifacts archeological sites dna etc
Themis wrote:bomgeography wrote:There is an incredible amount evidence to include timelines artifacts archeological sites dna etc
There is an incredible lack of evidence. Your posts have only helped to show this and how ignorant of science you are. You have never addressed the dating problems you have with the DNA.
bomgeography wrote:
i have addressed the DNA dating. There is no point in doing circular arguments though.
Who ever said there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon needs to rethink their stance.
I would say most members when they see a hopewell breastplate, or hopewell woven cloth, hopewell earthen mound walls same as described in the Book of Mormon have no issue seeing it as Nephite breasplates, cloth etc. exmormons have a harder time though.
<snip links to silly Mormon fantasy speculations>
And we're to be used as accessories to help you prop up your fantasies. Kind of makes me want to take a shower. 
Who ever said there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon needs to rethink their stance.
I would say most members when they see a hopewell breastplate, or hopewell woven cloth, hopewell earthen mound walls same as described in the Book of Mormon have no issue seeing it as Nephite breasplates, cloth etc. exmormons have a harder time though.
As scholars committed to increasing public understanding of Native American history and archaeology, we want to make it clear that...[I]n our opinion, there is no compelling archaeological or genetic evidence for a migration from the Middle East to North America a few thousand years ago, nor is there any credible scientific evidence that Old World civilizations were involved in developing Native American cultures in pre-Columbian times.
... Like the great majority of professional archaeologists and anthropologists, we have seen overwhelming evidence that Native Americans were independently responsible for designing and creating the Newark Earthworks, Cahokia Mounds, and the myriad other pre-Columbian sites across the United States.
... In our opinion, there is no compelling evidence for the presence of Old World cultures in North America prior to the incursions of the Norse in the early 11th century.
Sonya Atalay Assistant Professor of Anthropology,
Indiana University*
Terry Barnhart Professor of History,
Eastern Illinois University*
Deborah Bolnick Assistant Professor of Anthropology,
University of Texas at Austin*
Ken Feder Professor of Anthropology,
Central Connecticut State University*
Alice Kehoe Professor of Anthropology, emeritus,
Marquette University*
Brad Lepper Curator of Archaeology,
Ohio Historical Society*
https://www.ohiohistory.org/learn/colle ... og/2010-(1)/december-2010/statement-about-the-lost-civilizations-of-north-am
Lemmie wrote:Who ever said there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon needs to rethink their stance.
I would say most members when they see a hopewell breastplate, or hopewell woven cloth, hopewell earthen mound walls same as described in the Book of Mormon have no issue seeing it as Nephite breasplates, cloth etc. exmormons have a harder time though.
Regarding the topics discussed in your blog entries (all of which have been fully discredited numerous times), how about a reminder of what professors of history, archaeology and anthropology in the archaeology blog on the ohio-history.org site think about your stance:As scholars committed to increasing public understanding of Native American history and archaeology, we want to make it clear that...[I]n our opinion, there is no compelling archaeological or genetic evidence for a migration from the Middle East to North America a few thousand years ago, nor is there any credible scientific evidence that Old World civilizations were involved in developing Native American cultures in pre-Columbian times.
... Like the great majority of professional archaeologists and anthropologists, we have seen overwhelming evidence that Native Americans were independently responsible for designing and creating the Newark Earthworks, Cahokia Mounds, and the myriad other pre-Columbian sites across the United States.
... In our opinion, there is no compelling evidence for the presence of Old World cultures in North America prior to the incursions of the Norse in the early 11th century.
Sonya Atalay Assistant Professor of Anthropology,
Indiana University*
Terry Barnhart Professor of History,
Eastern Illinois University*
Deborah Bolnick Assistant Professor of Anthropology,
University of Texas at Austin*
Ken Feder Professor of Anthropology,
Central Connecticut State University*
Alice Kehoe Professor of Anthropology, emeritus,
Marquette University*
Brad Lepper Curator of Archaeology,
Ohio Historical Society*
https://www.ohiohistory.org/learn/colle ... og/2010-(1)/december-2010/statement-about-the-lost-civilizations-of-north-am
bomgeography wrote:The archeologist can't discredit artifacts that they themselves discovered.
They can't discredit the ways that the hopewell built earthen mound walls that they themselves described.
That can't discredit the advanced civilization the hopewell had that they did the research on.
They can't discredit their own findings on the hopewell timeline
bomgeo wrote:Who ever said there is no evidence for the Book of Mormon needs to rethink their stance.
historians, archaeologists, and anthropologists wrote:As scholars committed to increasing public understanding of Native American history and archaeology, we want to make it clear that...[I]n our opinion, there is no compelling archaeological or genetic evidence for a migration from the Middle East to North America a few thousand years ago, nor is there any credible scientific evidence that Old World civilizations were involved in developing Native American cultures in pre-Columbian times.
... In our opinion, there is no compelling evidence for the presence of Old World cultures in North America prior to the incursions of the Norse in the early 11th century.