Native American and Children of Israel Fiery Flying Serpents

[_Lemmie]

Native Americans have Middle East dna

wrong.

When the Hopewell population (as well as other Native Americans) is compared with Old World populations, they are most genetically similar to populations in Asia. The scientific consensus, based on more than 150 studies of Native American genetic variation, suggests that all Native Americans are descended from a single source population that originated in Asia and migrated to the Americas via Beringia (Figure 2) approximately fourteen thousand to twenty thousand years ago (Kemp and Schurr 2010). This consensus reflects not only the observed patterns of mtDNA variation but also studies of paternally inherited Y-chromosome marke
Relief Society and biparentally inherited autosomal markers.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizat ... l_messages

[Guest]

Native Americans have Middle East dna

wrong.

When the Hopewell population (as well as other Native Americans) is compared with Old World populations, they are most genetically similar to populations in Asia. The scientific consensus, based on more than 150 studies of Native American genetic variation, suggests that all Native Americans are descended from a single source population that originated in Asia and migrated to the Americas via Beringia (Figure 2) approximately fourteen thousand to twenty thousand years ago (Kemp and Schurr 2010). This consensus reflects not only the observed patterns of mtDNA variation but also studies of paternally inherited Y-chromosome marke
Relief Society and biparentally inherited autosomal markers.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizat ... l_messages

Sorry your wrong

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(National Geographic “Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins”)

There is no evidence people from the Middle East migrated to the arctic

[_Lemmie]

When the Hopewell population (as well as other Native Americans) is compared with Old World populations, they are most genetically similar to populations in Asia. The scientific consensus, based on more than 150 studies of Native American genetic variation, suggests that all Native Americans are descended from a single source population that originated in Asia and migrated to the Americas via Beringia (Figure 2) approximately fourteen thousand to twenty thousand years ago (Kemp and Schurr 2010). This consensus reflects not only the observed patterns of mtDNA variation but also studies of paternally inherited Y-chromosome marke
Relief Society and biparentally inherited autosomal markers.
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/civilizat ... l_messages

Sorry your wrong

sorry my wrong what?

And it's not me being quoted, it is educated academics who have studied and documented this.

YOU are wrong.

[_Choyo Chagas]

Sorry your wrong

read viewtopic.php?p=21605#p21605 then ponderize it

[_bomgeography]

Sorry your wrong

read viewtopic.php?p=21605#p21605 then ponderize it

You do the same

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -american- people-migration-siberia-genetics/)

In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian population”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial Haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)
“To date, haplogroup X has not been unambiguously identified in Asia, raising the possibility that some Native American founders were of Caucasian ancestry.”
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707616292
“Overall, the sequence data and phylogenetic analysis suggest that the Native American and the European haplogroup X mtDNAs share a common maternal ancestor”
“The 14 Caucasian-European haplogroup X samples (designated “CE1”–“CE14”) included 2 Caucasians of European ancestry”
(MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America Michael D. Brown,1 Seyed H. Hosseini,1 Antonio Torroni,2 Hans-Ju ̈rgenBandelt,3 Jon C. Allen,1 Theodore G. Schurr,1 Rosaria Scozzari,2 Fulvio Cruciani,2 and Douglas C. Wallace1)
“Phylogenetic analysis and coalescence estimates for American Indian and European haplogroup X mtDNAs exclude the possibility that the occurrence of haplogroup X in American Indians is due to recent European admixture.”
(The Presence of Mitochondrial haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001)

Another problem with the Bering Ice bridge theory is that Polynesian DNA is found in South America. The idea that Polynesians migrated across the Bering Ice Bridge is ridiculous.

“The prevailing theory is that the first Americans arrived in a single wave, and all Native American populations today descend from this one group of adventurous founders. But now there’s a kink in that theory. “
“If Aleutian Islanders or their ancestors had somehow mixed with an Australasian group up north or made their way south to the Amazon, they’d leave genetic clues along the way. “It’s not a clear alternative,” argues Reich. “
“Three Amazonian groups—Suruí, Karitiana and Xavante—all had more in common with Australasians than any group in Siberia. “
“Both studies therefore suggest that the ancestry of the first Americans is a lot more complicated than scientists had envisioned.”
“There is a greater diversity of Native American founding populations than previously thought,” says Skoglund. “And these founding populations connect indigenous groups in far apart places of the world.”
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... ans-links- amazon-indigenous-australians-180955976/?no-ist

[_Choyo Chagas]

Sorry your wrong

read viewtopic.php?p=21605#p21605 then ponderize it

You do the same

Nearly one-third of Native American genes ... AND SUCH BLAHBLAH

do you read the comment before you answer?
can you read at all, or you can only pommel the keyboard?
do you understand YOUR own language?

that link above is about usage of "your" and "you're". apparently you don't know the difference.
the english is my fourth language, after romanian, german, hungarian
but i never get confused "your" with "you are"

just saying...

[_bomgeography]

Sorry your wrong

read http://www.mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3 ... 605#p21605 then ponderize it

You do the same

Nearly one-third of Native American genes ... AND SUCH BLAHBLAH

do you read the comment before you answer?
can you read at all, or you can only pommel the keyboard?
do you understand YOUR own language?

that link above is about usage of "your" and "you're". apparently you don't know the difference.
the english is my fourth language, after romanian, german, hungarian
but i never get confused "your" with "you are"

just saying...

If you want to start a post about English go ahead otherwise it's about the Native American belief and depiction of the Old Testament use of flying serpents.

You say blah blah to scientific evidence you cannot counter.

That's ok because no else can.

[_Lemmie]

speaking of fictional stories, resources not fully read and lack of connections, DarthJ satirizes that stuff so much better than your weak parodies, McKane:

The absence of proof of leprechauns is not proof of absence. A careful reading of leprechaun lore will lead one to understand that the original Celts and Irish often were not familiar with things that we take for granted today. Thus the use of "loan words." For example, a person not familiar with Mormon apologetics might use phrases like "grasping at straws," "house of cards," or "trying to unring the bell" even though these words are meant to refer to what we familiarly call "Mormon apologetics."

Similarly, "pot of gold at the end of the rainbow" does not necessarily mean a "pot" of "gold" at the "end" of a "rainbow."

Another reason many people jump to conclusions about the alleged non-existence of leprechauns is that leprechauns represented only a small fraction of the native people of Ireland in a relatively small geographic area. The leprechauns likely adopted the native culture already present in Ireland, so that it may be difficult to detect the leprechaun heritage among the things we usually associate with people from the Emerald Isle---like red hair, bad tempers, fistfights, habitual drunkenness, and the Potato Famine.

U2, a well-known Irish rock band, also shows many parallels between certain of their lyrics and things that are small, lucky, or have riches---as, for example, their song "Silver and Gold", which has clear parallels to the gold that leprechauns were said to possess.

While the lack of leprechaun DNA has been touted by critics as "proof" that leprechauns did not exist, we must be careful in interpreting the data. Leprechauns likely interbred with the much larger native Irish population, thus diluting the traces of their DNA that one would expect to find if the leprechaun population had been much larger and dominant. Genetic drift and genetic bottleneck also likely masked many traces of leprechaun DNA. I don't know why that would be, but this sounds authoritative and most people will be impressed by scientific-sounding terms without realizing that I'm just trying to sound smart to distract from my arguing from ignorance.

In regard to leprechaun being among the ancestors of the Irish, another compelling parallel is the common phrase, "the luck of the Irish." Leprechauns were reputed to bring good luck, and it is striking that a trait that was once associate with leprechauns has come to be applied to the Irish in general.

In summary, the critics have been far too quick to dismiss the so-called "lack of evidence of leprechauns." Strong cultural parallels and the possibility of DNA being diluted among the larger Irish population suggest that the debate is far from over.
http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... &start=231

[_Maksutov]

Let's see, what do you call it when someone makes up stories to deny brown peoples their legacy of accomplishments, attributing them instead to white ancestors?

Racism.

The Mormon people have come a long way from the "mark of Cain" and the "less valiant" stories. The Lamanite programs have been mostly disbanded. But here we have bomgeo, preaching against secular scholars and even his fellow Mormons, in allegiance to self-appointed experts like Meldum, May and the famous American Nazi Frank Collins. What motivates him? He says it's his faith. Yet his religion does not defend him and the scholars depended upon by his church disagree with him. What could motivate someone to persist in a racist model of history?

Racism.

The godfather of the ancient astronaut theory, that denied the accomplishments of indigenous peoples throughout the Americas, was a friend and former employee of William Dudley Pelley, an influential American Nazi and founder of the Silver Shirts who was imprisoned for sedition. There is a longstanding pattern of white explorers and settlers and occult authors denying the humanity and intelligence of the indigenous peoples; the Mormon stories are an expression of that. They reflect an early 19th century view of America, the history of the world, the Bible, and many other subjects. I can extend some forgiveness to those people because they lived in a less educated and enlightened time. But there is no excuse, none, for defending racist doctrines and alt-histories now, whether they come from Mormon or Christian Identity or Nation of Islam sources. We see them for what they are.

Racism.

It was not enough that millions of Native Americans died, there are those who want to murder their history and accomplishments and replace them with the stories of white men, to make themselves feel good and holy.

[_Choyo Chagas]

If you want to start a post about English go ahead...

it is not about english in general; it is about your english used here

You say blah blah to scientific evidence you cannot counter.

"counter" is a noun (in a special case an adjective)

after "you cannot" should come a verb

just saying