Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Apparently Choose The Right is just a sweet nothing that doesn't mean anything.
- Doc
And what's bothering the most right now is that it never did. I keep thinking back to all the moral lessons I was taught as a small child. I remember being confused because my own sense of morality didn't align with what was being said and I continually felt like I was getting the short end of the stick, but I managed to maintain confidence that my confusion meant there must be something I needed to learn.
I was just too sweet -- trying to figure out what was wrong with me instead the church for so long. I put so much effort into trying to submit. It's not in my nature but they taught me it was the "right" thing to do. 'Choose the right' y'all.
I mean look at this mess..... I feel sick thinking about all the "good Mormons" who are supporting Trump and the exclusion policy and everything else.
"Choose The Right" is an instruction to members (meaning "Do What We Tell You"), not a statement of intent by the leadership.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I respect her opinion..and what she wants to do with it. But personally...the whole damn thing is silly. I would never turn down an opportunity to be a part of something like this. Whether it would be Hillary or Trump..to be able to see something like this ..how it works..the patriotism..the songs..the oath..would be something thrilling to me. There are definitely differences in politics..always..but this is an American thing..where we got to vote...where we had a voice..and what a sham it is to those who have died for us to have that right to not want to be a part of it. Just silly...then sad..time to grow a pair. We can't do this without coming together somehow. I guess I have more hope that Michele does...
Interesting thread but rather one sided. I see nothing wrong with the choir performing. Just because the media made this election contentious is not reason to say no to the invitation. Let me put it this way: if clinton had won and if the choir would have been invited to sing, would you support their refusal to perform because of her stance on late term abortion? Or should the choir do the patriotic thing and perform? I am sure that the members of the choir who supported the independent or Trump would perform. There would be no boycott from individual members.
The member who opted out was rather immature with her comparison of Trump with Hitler, especially since Trump's own daughter is very orthodox in her jewish faith. The fact is: Trump carried the country in the popular vote except for california and in New York City. America spoke.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Just because the media made this election contentious is not reason to say no to the invitation.
That's not why she's refusing to participate. She's refusing because she finds Trump's comments and actions incompatible with her Church's (and her own) stated beliefs. So she is exercising her religious freedom (ironic, right?) to not join in.
Let me put it this way: if clinton had won and if the choir would have been invited to sing, would you support their refusal to perform because of her stance on late term abortion? Or should the choir do the patriotic thing and perform? I am sure that the members of the choir who supported the independent or Trump would perform. There would be no boycott from individual members.
You cannot advocate for religious freedom and then complain when people exercise their religious freedom.
The member who opted out was rather immature with her comparison of Trump with Hitler, especially since Trump's own daughter is very orthodox in her jewish faith. The fact is: Trump carried the country in the popular vote except for california and in New York City. America spoke.
She's not advocating the inauguration be stopped, she's exercising her religious freedom and her conscience to not join in the celebration of a candidate she feels is morally incompatible with her and her Church's beliefs.
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
why me wrote: The fact is: Trump carried the country in the popular vote except for california and in New York City. America spoke.
Last I checked, California and New York are part of America. But by your logic, but for Texas, Florida and Missouri, Clinton won the electoral college. Oh, wait, you just don't pick and choose what parts of the country 'don't count'??? Clinton carried the popular vote by 2.865m Americans, or 2.1%; Trump won the electoral vote 304 to 227.
It's different because Trump ran a hate campaign instead of a "hope" campaign. I didn't vote for Obama because his "hope" campaign made me sick. I don't think either of the parties are doing much good for the United States. I think we need to work together to pass an anti-Corruption Act to get money out of politics. Until then, nothing else really matters.
But there is no denying that Trump ran a hate campaign unless the person doing the denying is either unwell or choosing to be blind. It's not media interpretation (so sick of hearing that). Trump speaks for himself on Twitter and on video all the time. He used hate to stir up hate.
Those are not principles that align with "Choose the Right" no matter how anyone tries to parse it.
why me wrote: Just because the media made this election contentious is not reason to say no to the invitation.
Utter nonsense. The media didn't go on record claiming mexico is sending us rapists and bragging about grabbing women by the pussy and mocking disable people. They simple quoted the man himself. Trump said those things. Period.
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
why me wrote:...if clinton had won and if the choir would have been invited to sing, would you support their refusal to perform because of her stance on late term abortion? ...
Yes, I would support that decision, and so would you. I suspect you and most members of the church would be calling her a hero for standing up for her principles and being a good example of church behavior..
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
And as far as California is concerned, I don't think some people actually realize how populated California really is. For example, Romney got more votes in Los Angeles County, CA than he did in the entire State of Utah back in 2012.
"And I've said it before, you want to know what Joseph Smith looked like in Nauvoo, just look at Trump." - Fence Sitter
why me wrote: Just because the media made this election contentious is not reason to say no to the invitation.
Utter nonsense. The media didn't go on record claiming mexico is sending us rapists and bragging about grabbing women by the pussy and mocking disable people. They simple quoted the man himself. Trump said those things. Period.
The media released a tape that was made twelve years ago three weeks before the election. They had the tape since August when Billy Bush made a comment that there was a tape. NBC did a massive search and uncovered it. Luckily, many people saw it for what it was: a hit piece. Many criminals have come from south of the border. What to do? True, Trump made a general comment. However, since that remark, illegals have committed murder and rape.
He did not mock disabled people. The hand gestures that he used, he used quite often in various of circumstances unrelated to disability. See below:
He used the same expressions many times before the accusation of mocking a disabled person.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
