"In that case, as it has been proposed, haplogroup X was brought to America by the eastward migration of an ancestral white population, of which no trace has so far been found in the mtDNA gene pool of modern Siberian/eastern Asian populations (Brown et al. 1998)."
sorry but your batting 0 for 3
David McKane, I used the link you attached and your quote is not found it that link. It doesn't help to provide a different one now. When you make your claims, you need to provide accurate links and sources. As for that quote, this is exactly what I have been trying to tell you. There was a resurgence of this kind of thing in scientific papers in the 1990s and it is no longer done. You seem to think that it is acceptable in the 21st century because you can find it in older papers. Using it the way you do is in fact racist.
The research articles I have been quoting which some of it dates to 2014 still stands today.
bomgeography wrote:Hopewell artifacts (none are fake tapir ) their timeline archeological sites manner of burial manner of building forts, many of building earthen walls, their advanced trade and civilzation match the Book of Mormon
David McKane, the Michigan Relics, the Elephant Effigy Pipes and other things you try to use are known, well established hoaxes. As long as you use them your position is without a basis in fact or reality. As for the authentic artifacts, we have discussed many times now that you misinterpret their purpose and meanings. The burial manners were also addressed to you concerning the Shawnee, with an uninterrupted method dating back well before the alleged Jaradites and continuing even in the 1830s when Joseph Smith sent Oliver Cowdery to preach to them. One thing that is very disturbing to me with your racist claims is in the advanced trade and civilization being tied to white caucasians. The facts are quite different and had nothing to do with cultures introduced from the Near East in Biblicial timelines. As an example, there is clear evidence of trade from the Gulf of Mexico to Northern Minnesota dating well before Adam and Eve's timeline. What is becoming increasingly obvious to me is your lack of integrity, shortcomings in honesty and your cherry picking while discarding facts that destroy your claims. I have said earlier that I was very much like you at a point in my past. I should clarify that one big difference between the me back then and the you now is that I value truth above all else. I valued it over my religious teachings and could not compromise truth and reality in the way you do just to keep believing that the Book of Mormon was real. But then I never attached my faith or testimony to artifacts or science. Moroni's promise was enough for me. It was the racism that comes out when misguided Mormons try to mix science and religion that started me out of the church. The odds of that happening to you are pretty slim right now. But I do have to wonder, and I have asked you before without getting an answer, why does this so-called research of yours matter to you so much? If Moroni's promise works for you then it shouldn't matter if your ideas concerning DNA, cultural, linguistic and artifacts are flawed or even blatantly wrong. If you are wrong, it doesn't prove that the Book of Mormon is false, it just means that you are wrong.
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bomgeography wrote: The research articles I have been quoting which some of it dates to 2014 still stands today.
Perhaps you have misunderstood what I said, maybe you are just twisting things into something I did not say. Here is what I have been telling you - None of the quotes concerning caucasian come from any 2014 articles that you use. Those are only found in the 1990s and earlier.
bomgeography wrote:The research articles I have been quoting which some of it dates to 2014 still stands today.
no, McKane, you quoted from the abstract of a 2001 paper, and your excerpt was a sentence summarizing a 1998 article. You took the quote out of context, which has also been discussed in other threads, and yet you continue to make the same error.
eta: I see tapirrider has pointed out your shoddy work also.
The Michigan relics are considered fake but that all you focus on the hopewell argument which is the center piece of any North American model matches up. The artifacts are not fake. The
bomgeography wrote:The Michigan relics are considered fake but that all you focus on the hopewell argument which is the center piece of any North American model matches up. The artifacts are not fake. The
Speaking for the, what? 5th or 6th time? of faked artifacts, the pseudo-science of parallelism and gullible people, Darth J's words also bear repeating:
Darth J wrote:The Book of Mormon claims that a vast Nephite civilization existed in the Western Hemisphere for a thousand years. The Nephites built cities that lasted for hundreds of years, had the technology for metallurgy and complex warfare, etc. There is no archaeological evidence at all showing this vast, millenial Nephite civilization, while there IS evidence of tiny, temporary encampments by small numbers of Vikings.
In the real world, fantastical claims of fact for which there is no supporting evidence can, logically and reasonably, be said to be untrue. If the Nephite civilization as described in the Book of Mormon ever really existed, something would be somewhere. The fact that even people who believe in the Book of Mormon cannot agree on where it happened (Mexico, other Central American locales, upstate New York, the "heartland," etc.) confirms that what is claimed to be "evidence" for the Book of Mormon is nothing more than hitting a bull's eye by shooting an arrow and then painting a target around where the arrow landed.
bomgeography wrote:The Michigan relics are considered fake but that all you focus on the hopewell argument which is the center piece of any North American model matches up. The artifacts are not fake. The
Speaking for the, what? 5th or 6th time? of faked artifacts, the pseudo-science of parallelism and gullible people, Darth J's words also bear repeating:
Darth J wrote:The Book of Mormon claims that a vast Nephite civilization existed in the Western Hemisphere for a thousand years. The Nephites built cities that lasted for hundreds of years, had the technology for metallurgy and complex warfare, etc. There is no archaeological evidence at all showing this vast, millenial Nephite civilization, while there IS evidence of tiny, temporary encampments by small numbers of Vikings.
In the real world, fantastical claims of fact for which there is no supporting evidence can, logically and reasonably, be said to be untrue. If the Nephite civilization as described in the Book of Mormon ever really existed, something would be somewhere. The fact that even people who believe in the Book of Mormon cannot agree on where it happened (Mexico, other Central American locales, upstate New York, the "heartland," etc.) confirms that what is claimed to be "evidence" for the Book of Mormon is nothing more than hitting a bull's eye by shooting an arrow and then painting a target around where the arrow landed.
Darth j is clueless I have to go till next time cherio
bomgeography wrote:The Michigan relics are considered fake but that all you focus on the hopewell argument which is the center piece of any North American model matches up. The artifacts are not fake. The
Speaking for the, what? 5th or 6th time? of faked artifacts, the pseudo-science of parallelism and gullible people, Darth J's words also bear repeating:
Darth J wrote:The Book of Mormon claims that a vast Nephite civilization existed in the Western Hemisphere for a thousand years. The Nephites built cities that lasted for hundreds of years, had the technology for metallurgy and complex warfare, etc. There is no archaeological evidence at all showing this vast, millenial Nephite civilization, while there IS evidence of tiny, temporary encampments by small numbers of Vikings.
In the real world, fantastical claims of fact for which there is no supporting evidence can, logically and reasonably, be said to be untrue. If the Nephite civilization as described in the Book of Mormon ever really existed, something would be somewhere. The fact that even people who believe in the Book of Mormon cannot agree on where it happened (Mexico, other Central American locales, upstate New York, the "heartland," etc.) confirms that what is claimed to be "evidence" for the Book of Mormon is nothing more than hitting a bull's eye by shooting an arrow and then painting a target around where the arrow landed.
bomgeography wrote:Darth j is clueless I have to go till next time cherio
Is that in your "unprofessional and biased opinion"*?
bomgeography wrote:He never even mentions the hopewell or haplo group x DNA. Answer is yes try and find someone up to date on the subject
Your answer is "yes"?????? okay.
bomgeography wrote:in my unprofessional and biased opinion
You are not understanding Darth J's point. His comment applies directly to your research inadequacies:
Darth J wrote:In the real world, fantastical claims of fact for which there is no supporting evidence can, logically and reasonably, be said to be untrue. If the Nephite civilization as described in the Book of Mormon ever really existed, something would be somewhere. The fact that even people who believe in the Book of Mormon cannot agree on where it happened (Mexico, other Central American locales, upstate New York, the "heartland," etc.) confirms that what is claimed to be "evidence" for the Book of Mormon is nothing more than hitting a bull's eye by shooting an arrow and then painting a target around where the arrow landed.
