Native American and Children of Israel Fiery Flying Serpents

[_Quasimodo]

Doesn't help you, and there are ways not to leave a DNA footprint like this. Some also think they may have arrived from Europe over 10000 years ago. We already Know haplotype X in the Americ's is over 10000 year old. Kennewick man shows how old it is, but you sill still ignore what I brought up, and you will not read your own links. You are not intellectually honest.

Any conversation with bomgeography (guilty, myself) reminds me of the old saying "Never argue with a fool..."

[_bomgeography]

Your right that current theories believe these migrations took hundreds to thousands of years all the more reason for a footprint to be left behind but evidence of the supposed migration that took " hundreds to thousands of years " does not exist see map

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... DNA%29.PNG

Doesn't help you, and there are ways not to leave a DNA footprint like this. Some also think they may have arrived from Europe over 10000 years ago. We already Know haplotype X in the Americ's is over 10000 year old. Kennewick man shows how old it is, but you sill still ignore what I brought up, and you will not read your own links. You are not intellectually honest.

The solutrean theory that x crossed the Atlantic Ocean is laughed at by academia. You better off saying they sailed from the Middle East.

There are no x samples in North America that date to 10000 years ago.

Kennewick man a skeleton with Haplogroup x dna he dated to 9000 BP (7000BC) after several attempts.
Kennwick man has been dated to 3750BC, 6410BC, 4130BC, and 6130BC.

All their different try's are suspect

[_Quasimodo]

The solutrean theory that x crossed the Atlantic Ocean is laughed at by academia. You better off saying the sailed from they Middle East.

Not laughed at, but doubted by most. It was an interesting postulation by bright people, but similarities in stone tool designs do not a history make. I have seen and held Native American stone tools that have a close resemblance to Mousterian handaxes (Neanderthal), but they are just the result of variances in tool making styles. There are only a limited amount of ways to shape a stone tool. None of this supports your Nephites First theories.

[_bomgeography]

The solutrean theory that x crossed the Atlantic Ocean is laughed at by academia. You better off saying the sailed from they Middle East.

Not laughed at, but doubted by most. It was an interesting postulation by bright people, but similarities in stone tool designs do not a history make. I have seen and held Native American stone tools that have a close resemblance to Mousterian handaxes (Neanderthal), but they are just the result of variances in tool making styles. There are only a limited amount of ways to shape a stone tool. None of this supports your Nephites First theories.

The solutrean theory is also incorrect I would agree. DNA points to a Middle East trans Ocean voyage see map.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... DNA%29.PNG


Closest genetic links to Native American x is Iran or the Middle East

[_tapirrider]

Tapir can't accept the scientific research proving that native Americans have caucasian blood and also supports the historical record of the Book of Mormon

There is no such thing as caucasian blood. I refuse to sit back and say nothing while you spout your racist ideas coupled to the LDS church. I fully accept the findings of science that ancestors of living American Indians have ancient European connections, and I accept the timelines dating back more than 20,000 years ago when those connections occurred. David McKane, it is you who cannot accept scientific research concerning mutation rates and radiocarbon dates. If you were to accept those, your entire position about haplogroup x becomes null and void. You have built a house of cards that can't hold up to even the smallest breeze. And you have done this contrary to the position of your church.

Native Americans have the Middle East caucasian DNA supporting the Book of Mormon 100%

David McKane, making claims in the way that you do such as "Caucasian blood" is racist. Statements like that are most often found on sites like Stormfront. There is no such thing as "caucasian blood". Why do you do this in connection with your church? It is reminiscent of the one drop Negro blood rule of past racism, not to mention the blood quantum levels that government imposed on American Indians. Your church has in its history the denial of the priesthood and temple ordinances to individual who had even one drop of African blood. So here you come now making claims about "caucasian blood". Why do you do this?

Your claim is also scientifically flawed. The genetics involved in white skin of Europeans occurred well after the ancestors of American Indians were already in the Americas.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/ ... white-skin

American Indian ancestral ties to the Near East date back 30,000 years or more ago. That was tens of thousands of years before the white skin and "caucasian". It was not "caucasian DNA".

The ancestral DNA from the Near East does not give 100% support for the Book of Mormon, it in fact stands as evidence that the Book of Mormon is nothing but 19th century fiction.

Consider the above link. You continue to quote from 1990s studies which are accurate with much of the data but the statements in those studies of caucasian and white are outdated. Why? Because new research is narrowing down the timeline of when skin color began to be white and it happened in Europe thousands of years after America was already peopled.

[_bomgeography]

Tapir can't accept the scientific research proving that native Americans have caucasian blood and also supports the historical record of the Book of Mormon

There is no such thing as caucasian blood. I refuse to sit back and say nothing while you spout your racist ideas coupled to the LDS church. I fully accept the findings of science that ancestors of living American Indians have ancient European connections, and I accept the timelines dating back more than 20,000 years ago when those connections occurred. David McKane, it is you who cannot accept scientific research concerning mutation rates and radiocarbon dates. If you were to accept those, your entire position about haplogroup x becomes null and void. You have built a house of cards that can't hold up to even the smallest breeze. And you have done this contrary to the position of your church.

Native Americans have the Middle East caucasian DNA supporting the Book of Mormon 100%

David McKane, making claims such as "Caucasian blood" is racist. Terms like that are most often found on sites like Stormfront. It is also scientifically flawed. The genetics involved in white skin of Europeans occurred well after the ancestors of American Indians were already in the Americas.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/ ... white-skin

American Indian ancestral ties to the Near East date back 30,000 years or more ago. That was tens of thousands of years before the white skin and "caucasian". It was not "caucasian DNA".

The ancestral DNA from the Near East does not give 100% support for the Book of Mormon, it in fact stands as evidence that the Book of Mormon is nothing but 19th century fiction.

Consider the above link. You continue to quote from 1990s studies which are accurate with much of the data but the statements in those studies of caucasian and white are outdated. Why? Because new research is narrowing down the timeline of when skin color began to be white and it happened in Europe thousands of years after America was already peopled.

The closest genetic link to Native American x is the Middle East Not anywhere else. I know you find the term caucasian offensive but scientist and the medical community don't care. Finding caucasian or white offensive is your problem. To expect scientist or the medical communty to stop using a term you and angry bloggers don't like is dum.

[_tapirrider]

The closest genetic link to Native American x is the Middle East Not anywhere else. I know you find the term caucasian offensive but scientist and the medical community don't care. Finding caucasian or white offensive is your problem. To expect scientist or the medical communty to stop using a term you and angry bloggers don't like is dum.

David McKane, why is it that you refuse to understand my position? After numerous times of explaining it to you I will do it again. The term "caucasian" is not offensive. How you are using it is racist. Maybe you need me to spell it out. You have implied that civilization and technology among American Indians happened because of their "caucasian blood". That is racist. Your attempts to throw up a cloud of dust to obscure this point by mention that the word caucasian is used in many sources will not get you out of the hot seat. You are making some serious mistakes and an honest and moral person would realize this and stop doing it. Your reference to those who speak out against racism as "angry bloggers" and calling me dumb only makes you appear to be even more racist.

Now for the other part of your comment. Why is it that you refuse to acknowledge the ancient connection to the Near East? I am not arguing that haplogroup x2a does not have this connection but I have been and will continue to point out the facts to you that the connection dates back so long ago that no informed person can possibly tie it to the Book of Mormon.

[_Themis]

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The solutrean theory that x crossed the Atlantic Ocean is laughed at by academia. You better off saying they sailed from the Middle East.

It's not laughed at. It's just not accepted due to not enough evidence to date.

There are no x samples in North America that date to 10000 years ago.

You have some much older then Book of Mormon timelines.

Kennewick man a skeleton with Haplogroup x dna he dated to 9000 BP (7000BC) after several attempts.
Kennwick man has been dated to 3750BC, 6410BC, 4130BC, and 6130BC.

All their different try's are suspect

They are not suspect to anyone who knows the science and what they did. I address this in the other thread. You should read your article you linked, and I suggest a lot more reading as well.

[_Philo Sofee]

May I ask a really dumb question that is going to honestly expose my vast ignorance? why is it so important to keep identifying this poster by his full name David McKane? I'm honestly just curious. I have never heard of him before reading these threads. But obviously based on what I'm reading here really is rather racist.

[_Themis]

May I ask a really dumb question that is going to honestly expose my vast ignorance? why is it so important to keep identifying this poster by his full name David McKane? I'm honestly just curious. I have never heard of him before reading these threads. But obviously based on what I'm reading here really is rather racist.

The charge of racism, I believe, is in relation to promoting racist ideas Joseph and people of his day thought about the Indians of the America's. Not sure why one or more poster uses his real name although he has been open about who he is in real life through links to his blog. He is an amateur apologist who promotes the Book of Mormon occurred in the NE US and Canada. This idea is usually based on YEC, but not sure if he takes a different view. He does dismiss scientific dating, but that is because some of his most important ideas like haplotype X was introduced by Book of Mormon peoples and needs to criticize scientific knowledge of how old it is in North America.