Answers to Creationist Attacks on C-14 Dating

[Guest]

You're evading the issues.

You are evading the issues! The issue is can God make a fully formed tree in one day? Absolutely! Does He care if you wish to think it took centuries of growth? Not in the least, as He explained the truth already in His Word. Can God turn 5 loves of bread and 2 fishes into a hearty meal for thousands? Absolutely! Does that go against science? What cares God for science? The Laws were designed for humans and not for God.

The entire Universe was created within a weeks time. What scientists observe is presently the ending results of that creation, coupled with the Fall of man, coupled with the Flood of Noah, compounded by thousands of years of degeneration/wear and tear...

Would God create an incomplete ecological system to house man? God created the entire Universe as an illustration of His glory and unlimited power and He fabricated nature for US! Would God create Adam and Eve without navels? They being the prototype for humanity --- it is highly unlikely. Would God create fully grown tree's without rings? Since they were the prototype of their kind --- it is highly unlikely!

And how exactly can a scientist leave out GOD from his equations and comprehend, fully understanding what GOD made originally, and what transpired afterward, and how it is all mixed together presently!

Oh, Nipper. So you have no facts and no arguments, just a statement that because God is God he can do anything.

You ask how scientists can know things and then when we try to tell you, you refuse to read or listen but instead start up with the God is better than scientists, scientists know nothing, repeat, repeat, repeat.

SCIENCE explains things. SCIENCE created the screen you're looking at and the keyboards you're typing on. Or did you pray them into existence? SCIENCE has laws and is the same all over the world. You can call science "God", or God "science" but really? It's actually science. If you don't believe it, try living a bronze age lifestyle like the denizens of the holy books that you rely on so much. Try explaining your determined ignorance to scientists who are Christian. Start with Kenneth Miller.

What you push is something that all Christians don't agree on. You have a sectarian view and no facts to back it up, just assertions without evidence AND CAPITAL LETTERS THAT PROVE NOTHING. So you can push your young earth theory just like you probably do the Rapture (which most Christians don't believe in). You get your education from Jack Chick, dude. Honestly, you should be embarrassed.

[_spotlight]

You are evading the issues! The issue is can God make a fully formed tree in one day? Absolutely! Does He care if you wish to think it took centuries of growth? Not in the least, as He explained the truth already in His Word. Can God turn 5 loves of bread and 2 fishes into a hearty meal for thousands? Absolutely! Does that go against science? What cares God for science? The Laws were designed for humans and not for God.

The entire Universe was created within a weeks time. What scientists observe is presently the ending results of that creation, coupled with the Fall of man, coupled with the Flood of Noah, compounded by thousands of years of degeneration/wear and tear...

Would God create an incomplete ecological system to house man? God created the entire Universe as an illustration of His glory and unlimited power and He fabricated nature for US! Would God create Adam and Eve without navels? They being the prototype for humanity --- it is highly unlikely. Would God create fully grown tree's without rings? Since they were the prototype of their kind --- it is highly unlikely!

And how exactly can a scientist leave out GOD from his equations and comprehend, fully understanding what GOD made originally, and what transpired afterward, and how it is all mixed together presently!

There are too many independent aspects of the world that paint the same picture of an old world and universe that agree with one another when they would not have to if your version of reality were true. In other words a creator could create trees with tree rings but he also apparently created dead trees with tree rings that match up as if there is a history of life going back further than the date of creation. That being the case your god wants us to look at nature and see a world that can only be interpreted as having been around for a lot longer than it has been. Who are we to come to a different conclusion than that which an intelligent creator would expect us to come to looking at our surroundings? It is apparently his will that we believe the earth to be old.

Is there any way to solve this puzzle. Yes there is since we have been able to sequence DNA. The same old age is apparent in DNA. Millions of years of damage to DNA via endogenous retrovirouses that according to you were put into our DNA just to make it look older than it is. But the structure of DNA affects us, what we are physically. If we tweek it we see the results. So now we have a situation where this false history placed into our DNA just happens to correspond to the forms of life that it creates that live and breathe before our eyes. What a fantastic coincidence this is! So fantastic in fact that we are forced to conclude that your hypothesis idea is just so much bunk.

[_huckelberry]

spotlight. Please forgive my grumble about the fear of death cliché.
I really am not wishing an adversarial thing here. But I do have a couple of questions.

How are you to observe what God may have done 10 million years ago to adjust to course of genetic changes?
Or 250 million?
Why do you think God making a change must involve breaking a law of physics?

I also felt the presence of my dead mother the day after I found her dead. But I don't attribute it to anything that reflects reality. And I am describing my views, not ridiculing you for your views.

What happened long ago is what happens today in a system of laws that are time invariant. See Noether's theorem for a more formal understanding if it is of interest. If there is a god then if he/she/it interferes with the normal operation of the natural law of evolution then it is no longer evolution as that term is defined by biologists. That was all I stated. If a putative god interferes with the process of mutation then this god is involved in what would be defined as genetic engineering rather than using evolution as a tool. Theistic evolution is a self contradictory term unless the god involved is a deist god.

So last question. We observe the normal operation of the laws of physics in the natural process of evolution on a daily basis. If a god was involved then that would not be the case unless the choices made by god happened to align perfectly with what would take place without god's involvement by virtue of those very same laws of physics. If we saw something other than that it would stand out as an outcome unpredicted by physics. Does that make sense? That's why I asked whether you thought god meddled when we weren't watching which could also be a version of god meddling before we were around to watch. But again then it is not evolution strictly speaking, it's engineering. It'd still be creation but not the kind that would impress most Bible thumpers. But this is an LDS forum and the LDS god simply rearranges matter rather than creating it from scratch since Joseph Smith read Thomas Dick and incorporated his ideas into his theology.

Spotlight, I think we are missing each other a bit. Yes this is an LDS forum but both you and I have left LDS thinking. It is what I first learned and formed my first thought out world view. I find this forum interesting for comparing alternatives to that world view.

My comment about my parents death was to look at the alternative to belief in afterlife. I did not happen to feel either was present after they died. I was remembering their dead physical body. Perhaps considering my fathers elderly comment that he was going to end up stiff and dumb, dressed how he would prefer not to be laid out in the relief society room. He did not wish that and he did end up precisely so.

I may in fact believe in life after death in Gods will but it is probably the last thing that drew me from atheism to Christian faith. Instead it was a concern for what kind of life we people share before death which changed my mind.

I can understand the distinction between divine genetic engineering and evolution. I can consider myself either at whim without changing any aspect of my belief. I see the world as very old with life starting very simple and changing through mutation and survival of the fittest so that the variety of life is all variety in a big family.

I also believe God designed all aspects of chemistry and physics to enable that process to happen within the ongoing framework of those physical principals. I do not see that as ruling out any engineering interventions by God to encourage new interesting possibilities.

[Guest]

You are evading the issues! The issue is can God make a fully formed tree in one day? Absolutely! Does He care if you wish to think it took centuries of growth? Not in the least, as He explained the truth already in His Word. Can God turn 5 loves of bread and 2 fishes into a hearty meal for thousands? Absolutely! Does that go against science? What cares God for science? The Laws were designed for humans and not for God.

The entire Universe was created within a weeks time. What scientists observe is presently the ending results of that creation, coupled with the Fall of man, coupled with the Flood of Noah, compounded by thousands of years of degeneration/wear and tear...

Would God create an incomplete ecological system to house man? God created the entire Universe as an illustration of His glory and unlimited power and He fabricated nature for US! Would God create Adam and Eve without navels? They being the prototype for humanity --- it is highly unlikely. Would God create fully grown tree's without rings? Since they were the prototype of their kind --- it is highly unlikely!

And how exactly can a scientist leave out GOD from his equations and comprehend, fully understanding what GOD made originally, and what transpired afterward, and how it is all mixed together presently!

I have a historic Messiah Jesus. And Jesus healed, cured, reformed, walked on water, calmed storms, explained the Bible as thought He wrote it, brought the dead to life, conversed with long gone prophets, arose from the dead, and ascended into heaven None of which can be explained scientifically with any understanding.

Oh, Nipper. So you have no facts and no arguments, just a statement that because God is God he can do anything.

You ask how scientists can know things and then when we try to tell you, you refuse to read or listen but instead start up with the God is better than scientists, scientists know nothing, repeat, repeat, repeat.

SCIENCE explains things. SCIENCE created the screen you're looking at and the keyboards you're typing on. Or did you pray them into existence? SCIENCE has laws and is the same all over the world. You can call science "God", or God "science" but really? It's actually science. If you don't believe it, try living a bronze age lifestyle like the denizens of the holy books that you rely on so much. Try explaining your determined ignorance to scientists who are Christian. Start with Kenneth Miller.

What you push is something that all Christians don't agree on. You have a sectarian view and no facts to back it up, just assertions without evidence AND CAPITAL LETTERS THAT PROVE NOTHING. So you can push your young earth theory just like you probably do the Rapture (which most Christians don't believe in). You get your education from Jack Chick, dude. Honestly, you should be embarrassed.

Honestly, dude , I don't care what other people calling themselves "Christian" think (except I fear that someday they will be very sorry for their presumption)! Show me in the Bible where I'm wrong and I will listen to said "Christians". And that isn't saying I got it all down-pat. However, I don't just accept things without some form of reference.

We have a historic Messiah Jesus. And Jesus healed, cured, reformed, walked on water, calmed storms, explained the Bible as thought He wrote it, brought the dead to life, conversed with long gone prophets, arose from the dead, and ascended into heaven. None of which can be explained scientifically with any "rationalized" understanding. And this man lived only 2000 years ago. And yet we know very little about that period that didn't find its interest sparked from the Biblical narrative first.

Show me a modern convenience that was not created/designed but evolved itself from nothing! Sorry, I don't buy your narrow atheistic view of science let alone life/death!

And you typed the word "SCIENCE" in all capitals . I'd like to think that if we were both stuck in a room together that we would somehow rather like each other --- but then, I know not a few best friends who originated from a brawl and some CHOICE LOUD WORDS!

Hey, call me backward! Call me a barbarian! Call me an "A" hole! But don't you dare call me unbiblical unless you can back it up BIBLICALLY! (I capitalized the last word to annoy you jut a little.)

[_LittleNipper]

You are evading the issues! The issue is can God make a fully formed tree in one day? Absolutely! Does He care if you wish to think it took centuries of growth? Not in the least, as He explained the truth already in His Word. Can God turn 5 loves of bread and 2 fishes into a hearty meal for thousands? Absolutely! Does that go against science? What cares God for science? The Laws were designed for humans and not for God.

The entire Universe was created within a weeks time. What scientists observe is presently the ending results of that creation, coupled with the Fall of man, coupled with the Flood of Noah, compounded by thousands of years of degeneration/wear and tear...

Would God create an incomplete ecological system to house man? God created the entire Universe as an illustration of His glory and unlimited power and He fabricated nature for US! Would God create Adam and Eve without navels? They being the prototype for humanity --- it is highly unlikely. Would God create fully grown tree's without rings? Since they were the prototype of their kind --- it is highly unlikely!

And how exactly can a scientist leave out GOD from his equations and comprehend, fully understanding what GOD made originally, and what transpired afterward, and how it is all mixed together presently!

There are too many independent aspects of the world that paint the same picture of an old world and universe that agree with one another when they would not have to if your version of reality were true. In other words a creator could create trees with tree rings but he also apparently created dead trees with tree rings that match up as if there is a history of life going back further than the date of creation. That being the case your god wants us to look at nature and see a world that can only be interpreted as having been around for a lot longer than it has been. Who are we to come to a different conclusion than that which an intelligent creator would expect us to come to looking at our surroundings? It is apparently his will that we believe the earth to be old.

Is there any way to solve this puzzle. Yes there is since we have been able to sequence DNA. The same old age is apparent in DNA. Millions of years of damage to DNA via endogenous retrovirouses that according to you were put into our DNA just to make it look older than it is. But the structure of DNA affects us, what we are physically. If we tweek it we see the results. So now we have a situation where this false history placed into our DNA just happens to correspond to the forms of life that it creates that live and breathe before our eyes. What a fantastic coincidence this is! So fantastic in fact that we are forced to conclude that your hypothesis idea is just so much bunk.

God warns against forgetting the Flood (in the Bible) 2 thousand years before it (the Flood) became passe'. DNA issues will even occur randomly during the life-cycle of organisms, so I don't see how anyone can be honest in such appraisals. There are far too many individuals who simply listen to each other lecture as Carl Sagan without a wick of real comprehension of all the shortcoming secular "science" possesses and none of the enlightenment God does reveal.

[_Maksutov]

Honestly, dude , I don't care what other people calling themselves "Christian" say (except I fear that someday they will be very sorry for their presumption)! Show me in the Bible where I'm wrong and I will listen to said "Christians".

We have a historic Messiah Jesus. And Jesus healed, cured, reformed, walked on water, calmed storms, explained the Bible as thought He wrote it, brought the dead to life, conversed with long gone prophets, arose from the dead, and ascended into heaven. None of which can be explained scientifically with any "rationalized" understanding. And this man lived only 2000 years ago. And yet we know very little about that period that didn't find its interest sparked from the Biblical narrative first.

Show me a modern convenience that was not created/designed but evolved itself from nothing! Sorry, I don't buy your narrow atheistic view of science let alone life/death!

And you typed the word "SCIENCE" in all capitals . I'd like to think that if we were both stuck in a room together that we would somehow rather like each other --- but then, I know not a few best friends who originated from a brawl and some CHOICE LOUD WORDS!

Hey, call me backward! Call me a barbarian! Call me an "A" hole! But don't you dare call me unbiblical unless you can back it up BIBLICALLY! (I capitalized the last word to annoy you jut a little.)

I see. All you want to hear about is the Bible. You want to read the Bible to understand everything. This is called "Bibliolatry".

You aren't backward or a barbarian. The Christian fundamentalist movement that you exemplify is an early twentieth century phenomenon, a reaction to modernity, urbanization and evolution. It's like the current Islamic militancy, which actually dates from a couple of decades later but with much the same motivation and some common tactics.

But while you aren't backward or a barbarian, you are choosing ignorance and claiming it as a virtue, a demonstration of faith. This is neither commendable nor successful. This is the way to create the limitless fracturing of purpose that characterizes religion in our time: no unity, no agreement, only endless subjective assertions and demands for special pleading. While you and the other Biblical scholars argue, we will go on discovering the real universe and mastering it. We will create the tools that you use to promote antiscience propaganda and we will save your life when you become ill, after your fruitless prayers. You will respond with arrogance, condescension and dismissal but you will accept the bounties of SCIENCE because they can actually deliver. You already have. And so it's not necessary to regard you as evil or stupid but rather as a spoiled, ungrateful and petulant child who we can only hope will grow up some day.

by the way, on another thread I've provided you with an example of Biblical psychotherapy so that the whole world can appreciate its authenticity and power. Enjoy!

[_LittleNipper]

Honestly, dude , I don't care what other people calling themselves "Christian" say (except I fear that someday they will be very sorry for their presumption)! Show me in the Bible where I'm wrong and I will listen to said "Christians".

We have a historic Messiah Jesus. And Jesus healed, cured, reformed, walked on water, calmed storms, explained the Bible as thought He wrote it, brought the dead to life, conversed with long gone prophets, arose from the dead, and ascended into heaven. None of which can be explained scientifically with any "rationalized" understanding. And this man lived only 2000 years ago. And yet we know very little about that period that didn't find its interest sparked from the Biblical narrative first.

Show me a modern convenience that was not created/designed but evolved itself from nothing! Sorry, I don't buy your narrow atheistic view of science let alone life/death!

And you typed the word "SCIENCE" in all capitals . I'd like to think that if we were both stuck in a room together that we would somehow rather like each other --- but then, I know not a few best friends who originated from a brawl and some CHOICE LOUD WORDS!

Hey, call me backward! Call me a barbarian! Call me an "A" hole! But don't you dare call me unbiblical unless you can back it up BIBLICALLY! (I capitalized the last word to annoy you jut a little.)

I see. All you want to hear about is the Bible. You want to read the Bible to understand everything. This is called "Bibliolatry".

You aren't backward or a barbarian. The Christian fundamentalist movement that you exemplify is an early twentieth century phenomenon, a reaction to modernity, urbanization and evolution. It's like the current Islamic militancy, which actually dates from a couple of decades later but with much the same motivation and some common tactics.

But while you aren't backward or a barbarian, you are choosing ignorance and claiming it as a virtue, a demonstration of faith. This is neither commendable nor successful. This is the way to create the limitless fracturing of purpose that characterizes religion in our time: no unity, no agreement, only endless subjective assertions and demands for special pleading. While you and the other Biblical scholars argue, we will go on discovering the real universe and mastering it. We will create the tools that you use to promote antiscience propaganda and we will save your life when you become ill, after your fruitless prayers. You will respond with arrogance, condescension and dismissal but you will accept the bounties of SCIENCE because they can actually deliver. You already have. And so it's not necessary to regard you as evil or stupid but rather as a spoiled, ungrateful and petulant child who we can only hope will grow up some day.

by the way, on another thread I've provided you with an example of Biblical psychotherapy so that the whole world can appreciate its authenticity and power. Enjoy!

I disagree with you. The Fundamentalist movement had its foundation in Protestantism :

Protestantism formed from the ideas of several theologians starting about the 12th century, although there may have existed earlier cases of which there is now missing evidence. These ideas were subjected to persecution by the Roman Catholicism, and thus were isolated or effectively eradicated up until the 16th century. An early Protestant reformer was John Wycliffe, an English scholastic philosopher, theologian, Biblical translator, and seminary professor at Oxford during the 14th century. He influenced Jan Hus, a Czech priest from Prague, who in turn influenced German Martin Luther igniting the Reformation. The Reformation began as an attempt to fix the Roman Catholic Church.

Martin Luther wrote 95 Theses regarding the sale of indulgences in 1517. At the same time, a movement sprang up in Switzerland under the leadership of Huldrych Zwingli. The political separation of the Church of England from the Pope under Henry VIII brought England alongside the broad Reformation movement. The Scottish Reformation of 1560 shaped the Church of Scotland.

Following the excommunication of Luther, the Pope condemned the Reformation and followers. The work and writings of John Calvin helped establish a loose consensus among various groups in Switzerland, Scotland, the Netherlands, Hungary, Germany and elsewhere. This religious upheaval spearheaded the German Peasants' War of 1524–1525 which swept through Bavaria, Thuringia and Swabia. Confessional divisions within the Holy Roman Empire eventually erupted in the Thirty Years' War of 1618–1648, leaving any unity weakened.

The success of the Counter-Reformation on the Continent and the spread of Puritanism (dedicated to further Protestant reform) polarized the Elizabethan Age, although it was not until the Civil War of the 1640s that England reached religious tension comparable to that which its neighbors had suffered generations earlier. Nonconforming Protestants along with the Protestant refugees from continental Europe were the primary founders of the United States of America.

The "Great Awakenings" were periods of dramatic religious revival in American religious history, from the 1730s to the mid-19th century. The result was a multitude of strong Protestant denominations, many rather new.

In the 20th century, Protestantism, especially in the United States became increasingly fragmented. Both liberal and conservative splinter groups developed, as well as a general secularization of Western society due to liberal interpretations of scripture in an attempt to harmonize scientific reasonings with Christian doctrine. Notable developments in 20th century US Protestantism include a rise of Pentecostalism, Christian fundamentalism and Evangelicalism.

During the 1920s, fundamentalists waged a war against modernism in three ways:
1) By attempting to deliver spiritually directed control of Protestant denominations, mission boards, and seminaries.

2) Through supporting Prohibition, Sunday “blue laws,” and other measures defending traditional biblical morality & concerns.

3) By attempting to supress the teaching of evolution in the public schools, a doctrine which they saw as an entangle link to the development of “German” higher criticism and the source of World War I.

[Guest]

As you may see, I enjoy history. I also know a great deal about the development recorded sound --- thought this isn't the place nor the time. But I do know that Edison wasn't the first to record sound. However, he was the first to actually play it back.

Quiz: Match the following columns:

Thomas-------- Gram-o-phone---------Columbia
Emile-----------Zon-o-phone-----------Deutsche
Frank-----------Talking Machine-------Victor
Alexander------Phonograph------------Universal
Eldridge--------Graphophone----------National

Explain the difference between the following:

1. Orthophonic, Stereophonic, and Hi-Fidelity

2. Phonograph, Gram-o-phone, and Dictaphone

[_Maksutov]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fundamentals


NOTE: The arrangement shown below is from the original 12-volume set.
Volume I:
The Virgin Birth of Christ - James Orr
The Deity of Christ - Benjamin B. Warfield
The Purposes of the Incarnation - G. Campbell Morgan
The Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit - R. A. Torrey
The Proof of the Living God - Arthur T. Pierson
History of the Higher Criticism - Dyson Hague
A Personal Testimony - Howard A. Kelly
Volume II:
The Testimony of the Monuments to the Truth of the Scriptures - George Frederick Wright
The Recent Testimony of Archaeology to the Scriptures - Melvin Grove Kyle
Fallacies of the Higher Criticism - Franklin Johnson
Christ and Criticism - Robert Anderson
Modern Philosophy - Philip Mauro
Justification by Faith - Handley Carr Glyn Moule
Tributes to Christ and the Bible by Brainy Men not Known as Active Christians
Volume III:
Inspiration of the Bible—Definition, Extent, and Proof - James M. Gray
The Moral Glory of Jesus Christ a Proof of Inspiration - William G. Moorehead
God in Christ the Only Revelation of the Fatherhood of God - Robert E. Speer
The Testimony of Christian Experience - E. Y. Mullins
Christianity No Fable - Thomas Whitelaw
My Personal Experience with the Higher Criticism - James J. Reeve
The Personal Testimony of Charles T. Studd
Volume IV:
The Tabernacle in the Wilderness: Did it Exist? - David Heagle
The Testimony of Christ to the Old Testament - William Caven
The Bible and Modern Criticism - F. Bettex
Science and Christian Faith - James Orr
A Personal Testimony - Philip Mauro
Volume V:
Life in the Word - Philip Mauro
The Scriptures - A. C. Dixon
The Certainty and Importance of the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead - R. A. Torrey
Observations of the Conversion and Apostleship of St. Paul - Lord Lyttleton (analyzed and condensed by J. L. Campbell)
A Personal Testimony - H. W. Webb-Peploe
Volume VI:
The Testimony of Foreign Missions to the Superintending Providence of God - Arthur T. Pierson.
Is There a God? - Thomas Whitelaw
Sin and Judgment to Come - Robert Anderson
The Atonement - Franklin Johnson
The God-Man - John Stock
The Early Narratives of Genesis - James Orr
The Person and Work of Jesus Christ - John L. Nuelsen
The Hope of the Church - John McNicol
Volume VII:
The Passing of Evolution - George Frederick Wright
Inspiration - L. W. Munhall
The Testimony of the Scriptures to Themselves - George S. Bishop
Testimony of the Organic Unity of the Bible to its Inspiration - Arthur T. Pierson
One Isaiah - George L. Robinson
The Book of Daniel - Joseph D. Wilson
Three Peculiarities of the Pentateuch - Andrew Craig Robinson
Millennial Dawn: A Counterfeit of Christianity - William G. Moorehead
Volume VIII:
Old Testament Criticism and New Testament Christianity - W. H. Griffith Thomas
Evolutionism in the Pulpit - Anonymous
Decadence of Darwinism - Henry H. Beach
Paul's Testimony to the Doctrine of Sin - Charles B. Williams
The Science of Conversion - H. M. Sydenstricker
The Doctrinal Value of the First Chapters of Genesis - Dyson Hague
The Knowledge of God - James Burrell
"Preach the Word" - Howard Crosby
Mormonism: Its Origin, Characteristics, and Doctrines - R. G. McNiece
Volume IX:
The True Church - Bishop Ryle
The Mosaic Authorship of the Pentateuch - George Frederick Wright
The Wisdom of this World - A. W. Pitzer
Holy Scripture and Modern Negations - James Orr
Salvation by Grace - Thomas Spurgeon
Divine Efficacy of Prayer - Arthur T. Pierson
What Christ Teaches Concerning Future Retribution - William C. Procter
A Message from Missions - Charles A. Bowen
Eddyism: Commonly Called Christian Science - Maurice E. Wilson
Volume X:
Why Save the Lord's Day? - Daniel Hoffman Martin
The Internal Evidence of the Fourth Gospel - Canon G. Osborne Troop
The Nature of Regeneration - Thomas Boston
Regeneration—Conversion—Reformation - George W. Lasher
Our Lord's Teachings About Money - Arthur T. Pierson
Satan and His Kingdom - Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis
The Holy Spirit and the Sons of God - W. J. Erdman
Consecration - Henry W. Frost
The Apologetic Value of Paul's Epistles - E.J. Stobo
What the Bible Contains for the Believer - George F. Pentecost
Modern Spiritualism Briefly Tested by Scripture - Algernon J. Pollock
Volume XI:
The Biblical Conception of Sin - Thomas Whitelaw
At-One-Ment by Propitiation - Dyson Hague
The Grace of God - C. I. Scofield
Fulfilled Prophecy A Potent Argument for the Bible - Arno C. Gaebelein
The Coming of Christ - Charles R. Erdman
Is Romanism Christianity? - T. W. Medhurst
Rome, The Antagonist of the Nation - J. M. Foster
Volume XII:
Doctrines that Must be Emphasized in Successful Evangelism - L. W. Munhall
Pastoral and Personal Evangelism, or Winning Men to Christ One-by-One - John Timothy Stone
The Sunday School's True Evangelism - Charles Gallaudet Trumbull
Foreign Missions or World-Wide Evangelism - Robert E. Speer
What Missionary Motives Should Prevail? - Henry W. Frost
The Place of Prayer in Evangelism - R. A. Torrey
The Church and Socialism - Charles R. Erdman
The Fifteen Books Most Indispensable for the Minister or the Christian Worker

..............

Billy Sunday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykn8YcIbmfo

[Guest]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fundamentals


NOTE: The arrangement shown below is from the original 12-volume set.
Volume I:
The Virgin Birth of Christ - James Orr
The Deity of Christ - Benjamin B. Warfield
The Purposes of the Incarnation - G. Campbell Morgan
The Personality and Deity of the Holy Spirit - R. A. Torrey
The Proof of the Living God - Arthur T. Pierson
History of the Higher Criticism - Dyson Hague
A Personal Testimony - Howard A. Kelly
Volume II:
The Testimony of the Monuments to the Truth of the Scriptures - George Frederick Wright
The Recent Testimony of Archaeology to the Scriptures - Melvin Grove Kyle
Fallacies of the Higher Criticism - Franklin Johnson
Christ and Criticism - Robert Anderson
Modern Philosophy - Philip Mauro
Justification by Faith - Handley Carr Glyn Moule
Tributes to Christ and the Bible by Brainy Men not Known as Active Christians
Volume III:
Inspiration of the Bible—Definition, Extent, and Proof - James M. Gray
The Moral Glory of Jesus Christ a Proof of Inspiration - William G. Moorehead
God in Christ the Only Revelation of the Fatherhood of God - Robert E. Speer
The Testimony of Christian Experience - E. Y. Mullins
Christianity No Fable - Thomas Whitelaw
My Personal Experience with the Higher Criticism - James J. Reeve
The Personal Testimony of Charles T. Studd
Volume IV:
The Tabernacle in the Wilderness: Did it Exist? - David Heagle
The Testimony of Christ to the Old Testament - William Caven
The Bible and Modern Criticism - F. Bettex
Science and Christian Faith - James Orr
A Personal Testimony - Philip Mauro
Volume V:
Life in the Word - Philip Mauro
The Scriptures - A. C. Dixon
The Certainty and Importance of the Bodily Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the Dead - R. A. Torrey
Observations of the Conversion and Apostleship of St. Paul - Lord Lyttleton (analyzed and condensed by J. L. Campbell)
A Personal Testimony - H. W. Webb-Peploe
Volume VI:
The Testimony of Foreign Missions to the Superintending Providence of God - Arthur T. Pierson.
Is There a God? - Thomas Whitelaw
Sin and Judgment to Come - Robert Anderson
The Atonement - Franklin Johnson
The God-Man - John Stock
The Early Narratives of Genesis - James Orr
The Person and Work of Jesus Christ - John L. Nuelsen
The Hope of the Church - John McNicol
Volume VII:
The Passing of Evolution - George Frederick Wright
Inspiration - L. W. Munhall
The Testimony of the Scriptures to Themselves - George S. Bishop
Testimony of the Organic Unity of the Bible to its Inspiration - Arthur T. Pierson
One Isaiah - George L. Robinson
The Book of Daniel - Joseph D. Wilson
Three Peculiarities of the Pentateuch - Andrew Craig Robinson
Millennial Dawn: A Counterfeit of Christianity - William G. Moorehead
Volume VIII:
Old Testament Criticism and New Testament Christianity - W. H. Griffith Thomas
Evolutionism in the Pulpit - Anonymous
Decadence of Darwinism - Henry H. Beach
Paul's Testimony to the Doctrine of Sin - Charles B. Williams
The Science of Conversion - H. M. Sydenstricker
The Doctrinal Value of the First Chapters of Genesis - Dyson Hague
The Knowledge of God - James Burrell
"Preach the Word" - Howard Crosby
Mormonism: Its Origin, Characteristics, and Doctrines - R. G. McNiece
Volume IX:
The True Church - Bishop Ryle
The Mosaic Authorship of the Pentateuch - George Frederick Wright
The Wisdom of this World - A. W. Pitzer
Holy Scripture and Modern Negations - James Orr
Salvation by Grace - Thomas Spurgeon
Divine Efficacy of Prayer - Arthur T. Pierson
What Christ Teaches Concerning Future Retribution - William C. Procter
A Message from Missions - Charles A. Bowen
Eddyism: Commonly Called Christian Science - Maurice E. Wilson
Volume X:
Why Save the Lord's Day? - Daniel Hoffman Martin
The Internal Evidence of the Fourth Gospel - Canon G. Osborne Troop
The Nature of Regeneration - Thomas Boston
Regeneration—Conversion—Reformation - George W. Lasher
Our Lord's Teachings About Money - Arthur T. Pierson
Satan and His Kingdom - Mrs. Jessie Penn-Lewis
The Holy Spirit and the Sons of God - W. J. Erdman
Consecration - Henry W. Frost
The Apologetic Value of Paul's Epistles - E.J. Stobo
What the Bible Contains for the Believer - George F. Pentecost
Modern Spiritualism Briefly Tested by Scripture - Algernon J. Pollock
Volume XI:
The Biblical Conception of Sin - Thomas Whitelaw
At-One-Ment by Propitiation - Dyson Hague
The Grace of God - C. I. Scofield
Fulfilled Prophecy A Potent Argument for the Bible - Arno C. Gaebelein
The Coming of Christ - Charles R. Erdman
Is Romanism Christianity? - T. W. Medhurst
Rome, The Antagonist of the Nation - J. M. Foster
Volume XII:
Doctrines that Must be Emphasized in Successful Evangelism - L. W. Munhall
Pastoral and Personal Evangelism, or Winning Men to Christ One-by-One - John Timothy Stone
The Sunday School's True Evangelism - Charles Gallaudet Trumbull
Foreign Missions or World-Wide Evangelism - Robert E. Speer
What Missionary Motives Should Prevail? - Henry W. Frost
The Place of Prayer in Evangelism - R. A. Torrey
The Church and Socialism - Charles R. Erdman
The Fifteen Books Most Indispensable for the Minister or the Christian Worker

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Billy Sunday:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykn8YcIbmfo

So, most Protestant churches would recognize most of these men as fellow Saints. Fundamentalism only represents a return to Bible basics. Peter would have loved Billy Sunday. And they both foresaw a day when "Gay" marriage, divorce, and sponsored abortion would be a "social" norm ----the handwriting on the wall!

PS> You forgot Dispensational Truth---Clarence Larkin (It's still a well referenced illustrated classic)