Question for bomgeography about the flood

[_Maksutov]

Between all of Joseph's shenanigans and the Fundamentalism Plus of some of his teachings, the poor Saints will be up to their ears in defending them for eternity. This is why they withdraw into their parallel universe and why they try to externalize the conflict through aggressive missionary work. It's good for group solidarity but removes them from the mainstream and maintains or even increases the tensions. I don't know if it will happen in my lifetime but I expect something like a second reformation in the Utah church.

[_Themis]

That's why I said a local albeit regional flood meets the strict requirements. Later bottle-necks could have had a influence on descendents, as has been shown in other cases.

So Noah and his family have DNA from Indians groups of the Americas, somehow land in the middle east. Then their DNA does not survive, but their religion and stories do really well anyways. Then God brings three groups from the middle east to the America's whose religion and culture become large civilizations but their DNA also doesn't do well. Really?

[_Themis]

That's why I said a local albeit regional flood meets the strict requirements. Later bottle-necks could have had a influence on descendents, as has been shown in other cases.

But local floods have destroyed lives since, violating the promise.

LOL Local flood really doesn't fit the biblical story, so why not see it for the myth it is.

[_tapirrider]

That's why I said a local albeit regional flood meets the strict requirements. Later bottle-necks could have had a influence on descendents, as has been shown in other cases.

I'm really interested in Dave's take on haplogroup x being a white caucasian genetic marker. It fits right in with Adam, Noah, etc. I'm curious why he only plays with migrations from the Near East to America for Nephites. That possible haplogroup x2a'j in Iran is just as strong an evidence that God's favored people left Missouri and took haplogroup x to the Middle East as it his for his claim of Book of Mormon evidence.

[_bomgeography]

In a post you said "A localized flood is a completely viable scenario". That got me thinking about haplogroup x2a'j in Iran. How do you decide that it is evidence of a migration from the Near East to America instead of evidence that Noah and his family got off the ark in Turkey near the Iranian border? I ask because LDS teachings are that Adam through Noah was in America. How do you decide if they had haplogroup x or not? How do you decide that haplogroup x began in the Near East when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint's doctrine is that mankind began in Missouri?

Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden of Eden. All of the posterity of Adam and Eve could have been in the Mississippi flood plain with only Noah and those who entered the ark as the survivors.

I don't believe in a world wide flood. I think Noah land in the Mesopotamia flood plain area.

The cultural and DNA evidence proves the necessary ties to Iran and Lehi to haplo group X.

Also haplo group X fits the scriptural narrative of Joseph in Egypt and Lehi of Manasseh being occupied by the Assyrians.

See cultural evidence.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html

Also there are some DNA genetic markers in North America not tied to any country

[_Maksutov]

In a post you said "A localized flood is a completely viable scenario". That got me thinking about haplogroup x2a'j in Iran. How do you decide that it is evidence of a migration from the Near East to America instead of evidence that Noah and his family got off the ark in Turkey near the Iranian border? I ask because LDS teachings are that Adam through Noah was in America. How do you decide if they had haplogroup x or not? How do you decide that haplogroup x began in the Near East when the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint's doctrine is that mankind began in Missouri?

Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden of Eden. All of the posterity of Adam and Eve could have been in the Mississippi flood plain with only Noah and those who entered the ark as the survivors.

I don't believe in a world wide flood. I think Noah land in the Mesopotamia flood plain area.

The cultural and DNA evidence proves the necessary ties to Iran and Lehi to haplo group X.

Also haplo group X fits the scriptural narrative of Joseph in Egypt and Lehi of Manasseh being occupied by the Assyrians.

See cultural evidence.

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html

Also there are some DNA genetic markers in North America not tied to any country

In your own mind. This is evidence for you and doesn't convince anyone else here. Have you noticed? And if you can't convince people here or on FAIR, you're pretty much shilling for the cult of Meldrum, May and "Joseph". With a little luck you'll start publishing your own revelations soon so you can tell us why you've rejected the teachings of the living prophets and the church who have contradicted you repeatedly. You must have some "spiritual" "evidence" because nobody else accepts your lame links and fantasies as "evidence". If you have followers and converts, produce them. Certainly they could do a better job of convincing than you have.

[_bomgeography]

This is a hobby of mine something I do for fun nothing more nothing less. The DNA cultural artifacts hopewell archeological sites and civilization and Native American beliefs all support the Book of Mormon and Bible.

What I say or anybody has to say on evidence will not affect those with a deep and abiding testimony of Christ and the second witness of his ministry to the nephites or in my opinion the Hopewell.

[_bomgeography]

Muksatov Your statements about revelation are DUM.

Lately you've been more rude then tapir. That's hard to do lately even tapir is being more civil.

[_Maksutov]

Muksatov Your statements about revelation are DUM.

Lately you've been more rude then tapir. That's hard to do lately even tapir is being more civil.

Yes, you're the one who claims to know better than thousands of scholars. And I'm the one who's "DUM".



How rude of someone to catch you lying and point it out. Actually, there have been many more people here point out your lies than have been convinced by you. Some might even say that your sustained dishonesty shows contempt and disrespect for your readers. I'd call that worse than rude.

[_bomgeography]

The dum and rude is in reference to your idea that I will have revelations and a following

It has nothing to do with you ignoring DNA artifact cultural traditional hopewell evidence etc.