Comma Johanneum and Mormon double Standard

[_Mittens]

1 John 5:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Mormons love to mention this passage as placing doctrine into a text yet Joseph Smith pre-1835 uses basically the same wording and adds One God which further agrees with the Creeds and Trinity doctrine. Why are the Mormon apologist silent on this ?

2 Nephi 31:
21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.

Alma 11:
44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.


Mormon 7:
7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.

The Testimony of Three Witnesses
And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.
Oliver Cowdery
David Whitmer
Martin Harris

1 Nephi 13: 41 And they must come according to the words which shall be established by the mouth of the Lamb; and the words of the Lamb shall be made known in the records of thy seed, as well as in the records of the twelve apostles of the Lamb; wherefore they both shall be established in one; for there is one God and one Shepherd over all the earth.

Doctrine and Covenants 20 :
28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.

There is more proof the Mormon leadership is guilty of same accusations

I Nephi 20:1 originally read exactly like Is. 48:1 in the King James Bible. Now it reads, "...out of the waters of Judah or out of the waters of baptism." Apostle Mark E. Petersen said, "A direct reference to baptism was plainly deleted from Isaiah 48:1" (As Translated Correctly, p. 14). Petersen was attempting to show how the B. of M. helped correct errors in the Bible, but he picked a very poor example because it is the B. of M. that has been changed! Neither the Hebrew text of Is. 48:1 nor the original B. of M. support the present reading of I Nephi 20:1. Even as late as the 1888 edition of the B. of M., that phrase was not in the text. The Joseph Smith Translation also repeats the pre-1888 edition and The King James version


http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/mclaims4.htm#changes

[_bomgeography]

Church doctrine is that God the father Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are ONE in purpose being three distinct beings.

I don't see any issues

[_Mittens]

Church doctrine is that God the father Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost are ONE in purpose being three distinct beings.

I don't see any issues

pre-1835 Joseph Smith taught ONE GOD not one in purpose just like the Creeds taught.


, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.
(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

John Ankerberg [Everything You Ever Wanted to know about Mormonism]
Page 104-105

1. There is Only One God
2. The Father is God;
3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God
4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal and is therefore God
5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct persons.

[_bomgeography]

When Joseph had a better understanding of God and Christ visit correct doctrine was established. All of the doctrines/gods doctrines did not come about the day the church was restored back on the earth.

[_Mittens]

When Joseph had a better understanding of God and Christ visit correct doctrine was established. All of the doctrines/gods doctrines did not come about the day the church was restored back on the earth.

If Joseph Smith got his information from an omniscient God why would he need a better understanding ?

[_bomgeography]

What makes you think that Joseph Smith can comprehend a perfectly omniscient God.

Why did the trinity doctrine come about hundreds of years after the Bible?

Your argument contradicts the trinity

[_The CCC]

What makes you think that Joseph Smith can comprehend a perfectly omniscient God.

Why did the trinity doctrine come about hundreds of years after the Bible?

Your argument contradicts the trinity

And the Bible.
SEE https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... rsion=NKJV

[_Choyo Chagas]

i'd like to know, how many chapel Mormons know what "comma johanneum" is...

even what does mean "elohist" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elohist;
and what does mean "jahwist" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jahwist;

that Mormons - i am lucky enough to know some of them - could read the Bible in an oneyear campaign, as did it with Book of Mormon, hyped by gbh

see:
- reading Bible in one year
- or reading the Book of Mormon in one year
- or the "seminary" ***
--- nobody remembers what he/she has read/explained one week ago; not even a year ago



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***
the seminary teacher is a common member
the audience are the same

hhmm...
Vak vezet világtalant = A blind leads a sightless
yes, it is a hungarian saying

you know, i like Attila József (see wiki!) and i am like him...

My mother was Cumanian, my father
Half-Szekler, half-Rumanian or whole.
From my mother’s lips sweet was every morsel,
And from my father’s lips the truth was gold.

(http://www.visegradliterature.net/works ... the_Danube)

[_bomgeography]

The comma Johanneum is irrelevant to proving anything about the trinity.

But nonetheless this is what I read the Comma Johannuem does not show up in the Bible till 1522.

Its considered a latin corruption that entered the Greek New testament.

[_Maksutov]

My favorite kind of thread!