Question for bomgeography about the flood

[_I have a question]

Bomgeography has invested so much of his life into this hobbyist nonsense that he absolutely cannot allow for it to be wrong. To do so would crystallize the waste. No Turkey votes for Thanksgiving.

You are wasting your time if you are hoping to convince him of anything other than his predetermined beliefs. If you are hoping that the lurkers will read this and see his obvious lunacy, crack on!

[_tapirrider]

Bomgeography has invested so much of his life into this hobbyist nonsense that he absolutely cannot allow for it to be wrong. To do so would crystallize the waste. No Turkey votes for Thanksgiving.

You are wasting your time if you are hoping to convince him of anything other than his predetermined beliefs. If you are hoping that the lurkers will read this and see his obvious lunacy, crack on!

I guess on this one I just wanted to know his position on Adam and his posterity and Noah sailing down the Mississippi and ending up in the Middle East. I have read comments from Dave that he believes the earth is billions of years old but didn't know what is take on humans is. He does have a confusing mix of young earth creationism with old earth ideas.

[_tapirrider]

Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden of Eden. All of the posterity of Adam and Eve could have been in the Mississippi flood plain with only Noah and those who entered the ark as the survivors.

I don't believe in a world wide flood. I think Noah land in the Mesopotamia flood plain area.

If I'm understanding you, less than 6,000 years ago all humans only lived in the Mississippi flood plain. Is that correct? And it seems that your limited flood theory is a limited geography theory but still allows for the destruction of all humans except those on the ark. Is that correct?

[_I have a question]

Adam and Eve got kicked out of the garden of Eden. All of the posterity of Adam and Eve could have been in the Mississippi flood plain with only Noah and those who entered the ark as the survivors.

I don't believe in a world wide flood. I think Noah land in the Mesopotamia flood plain area.

If I'm understanding you, less than 6,000 years ago all humans only lived in the Mississippi flood plain. Is that correct? And it seems that your limited flood theory is a limited geography theory but still allows for the destruction of all humans except those on the ark. Is that correct?

Unfortunately, as Elder Holland explains, the Mississippi flood plain didn't exist at the time of the flood.

Two generations later the Lord was so pained by that generation “without affection” (Moses 7:33) that he opened the windows of heaven and cleansed the entire earth with water. Thus, the “everlasting decree” (Ether 2:10) was first taught that he who will not obey the Lord in righteousness will be swept from his sacred land. The lesson would be tragically retaught in dispensations yet to come.

Holy scripture records that “after the waters had receded from off the face of this land it became a choice land above all other lands, a chosen land of the Lord; wherefore the Lord would have that all men should serve him who dwell upon the face thereof.” (Ether 13:2.) Such a special place needed now to be kept apart from other regions, free from the indiscriminate traveler as well as the soldier of fortune. To guarantee such sanctity the very surface of the earth was rent. In response to God’s decree, the great continents separated and the ocean rushed in to surround them. The promised place was set apart. Without habitation it waited for the fulfillment of God’s special purposes.

With care and selectivity, the Lord began almost at once to repeople the promised land. The Jaredites came first, with stories of the great flood fresh in their memories and the Lord’s solemn declaration ringing in their ears: “Whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them.” (Ether 2:8.)

https://www.LDS.org/ensign/1976/06/a-promised-land?lang=eng

I'm hoping Brother Bomgeography will repent before it's too late...

Still other people accept parts of the Flood story, acknowledging that there may have been a local, charismatic preacher, such as Noah, and a localized flood that covered only a specific area of the world, such as the region of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers or perhaps even the whole of Mesopotamia. Yet these people do not believe in a worldwide or global flood. Both of these groups—those who totally deny the historicity of Noah and the Flood and those who accept parts of the story—are persuaded in their disbelief by the way they interpret modern science. They rely upon geological considerations and theories that postulate it would be impossible for a flood to cover earth’s highest mountains, that the geologic evidence (primarily in the fields of stratigraphy and sedimentation) does not indicate a worldwide flood occurred any time during the earth’s existence.

There is a third group of people—those who accept the literal message of the Bible regarding Noah, the ark, and the Deluge. Latter-day Saints belong to this group. In spite of the world’s arguments against the historicity of the Flood, and despite the supposed lack of geologic evidence, we Latter-day Saints believe that Noah was an actual man, a prophet of God, who preached repentance and raised a voice of warning, built an ark, gathered his family and a host of animals onto the ark, and floated safely away as waters covered the entire earth. We are assured that these events actually occurred by the multiple testimonies of God’s prophets.

https://www.LDS.org/ensign/1998/01/the-flood-and-the-tower-of-babel.p1?lang=eng

It's great when apologists throw under the bus that which they are defending in order to defend it.
Bomgeography has to disagree with what one of his Apostles is explicitly telling him in order to keep his shelf up.
He's forgotten that...

We can always trust the living prophets.

https://www.LDS.org/topics/prophets?lang=eng

[_bomgeography]

My opinion is that everyone during noahs time died during a massive flood along the Mississippi river except for those on the ark.

the opinion that the flood was local is held by many people. If im right or wrong on this I personally don't care.

Prophets and apostles have been wrong before. Brigham Young stated that people lived on the moon.

Benson stated that Hagoth sailed to the Islands.

Some of their statements concerning salvation carry a lot more wait then if Hagoth sailed to the island if people live on the moon and if the flood was local or global.

I have never heard a conference talk specifically about Hagoth sailing to the Islands men living on the moon.

The talks are always about drawing closer to heavenly father and that is what matters.

You guys always try and blow things out of proportion and its ridiculous.

[_I have a question]

My opinion is that everyone during noahs time died during a massive flood along the Mississippi river except for those on the ark.

the opinion that the flood was local is held by many people. If im right or wrong on this I personally don't care.

Prophets and apostles have been wrong before. Brigham Young stated that people lived on the moon.

Benson stated that Hagoth sailed to the Islands.

Some of their statements concerning salvation carry a lot more wait then if Hagoth sailed to the island if people live on the moon and if the flood was local or global.

I have never heard a conference talk specifically about Hagoth sailing to the Islands men living on the moon.

The talks are always about drawing closer to heavenly father and that is what matters.

You guys always try and blow things out of proportion and its ridiculous.

How do you, reasonably and reliably, differentiate between when what an Apostle claims matters, and when it doesn't?

[_Maksutov]

All the data concerning hopewell artifacts, DNA, cultural, archeological sites. Native American tradition matching the Book of Mormon and Bible is all done by NON LDS researchers.

Then it should make it easier for their research to be peer-reviewed.

Oh, it's still just showing up in your Nazi-edited amateur rag? And your personal blog? Nothing from actual qualified people? Nothing published in relevant and respected journals? Rejected and reviled by the majority even of LDS scholars?

Sucks to be you. Keep telling us how great and convincing you are. Maybe when you take a break from patting yourself on the back you can build your own Nobel prize out of papier mache or, more appropriately, your own poop.

[_bomgeography]

Non LDS researchers and historians do not know it yet but their research and historical accounts have proven just about every aspect of the Book of Mormon.
See compiled research and data sources.

Native American Freemasonry and the Temple Endowment
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... emple.html

Buried Nephite City and Book of Mormon Elephants
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... hants.html
What City of Bountiful Artifacts Would Look Like
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... would.html

Children of Israel and Native American Fiery Flying Serpents
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... rican.html
Native American Traditional use of Sacred Metal Tablets
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... se-of.html
Nephite (Hopewell Mik Maq) Old World Burial Rites and Rituals
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... world.html
Exact Location of the Waters of Mormon
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html
Mik Maq Nephites and Christ visit
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... visit.html
Iroquios Lamanites
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... nites.html
Cherokee Zoramites
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mites.html
Hopewell Smelting
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html
Hopewell meteoric iron axes and tools
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html
Archeological Evidence of the West Sea Fortified Line
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... t-sea.html
DNA Evidence of A white race of Indian
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... an_12.html

The extermination of a white race of Indian
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ce-of.html
Best Book of Mormon DNA Evidence X2A'J
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html
Hill Cumorah Mass Burial Pits and Battlegrounds
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... s-and.html
Reformed Egyptian Four Surviving Characters
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... glyph.html
Native American ties to the Book of Mormon
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html
Native American Jewish Hamsa Symbol
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ymbol.html
Book of Mormon Cloth and Fine Twined Linen
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ttons.html
Book of Mormon Breastplates and Jewelry
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... welry.html
Book of Mormon Horses Chariots Highways and Trade
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... hways.html
Native American Hebrew like temples
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mples.html
Native American Hebrew and Old World Language Ties
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... guage.html
Book of Mormon Swords
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... words.html
Exact location of the Waters of Ripliancum: to Exceed All
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ancum.html
Archeological Evidence of the Fortified Cities by the East Sea
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ified.html

Best map of the Book of Mormon nobody can find any discrepancies with it
Six Sea Model Alma Chapter 22 Book of Mormon Map
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... m-map.html

Data Sources
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_X_mtDNA.shtml
The Presence of Mitochondrial haplogroup X in Altaians from South Siberia
Am. J. Hum. Genet. 69:237–241, 2001
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n ... 76/?no-ist
MtDNA haplogroup X: An Ancient Link between Europe/Western Asia and North America
Michael D. Brown,1 Seyed H. Hosseini,1 Antonio Torroni,2 Hans-Ju¨rgenBandelt,3 Jon C. Allen,1 Theodore G. Schurr,1 Rosaria Scozzari,2 Fulvio Cruciani,2 and Douglas C. Wallace1
https://markgelbart.wordpress.com/2010/ ... eistocene/
http://pidba.org/content/fluted.JPG
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_spear_points
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar ... 9707616292
“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -genetics/
Origin and Diffusion of mtDNA haplogroup X
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180497/
http://www.academicroom.com/article/ide ... n-analysis
The Dover Mound by William S Webb and Charles Snow
(In Mohawk Country: Early Narratives about a Native People
By Dean R. Snow, Charles T. Gehring, William A. Starna)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Hopewell_Road
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article ... 1-0268.pdf
The Adena People
By William S. Webb, Charles E. Snow, James B. Griffin
The Scioto Hopewell and Their Neighbors: Bioarchaeological Documentation and Cultural Understanding
By Daniel Troy Case, Christopher Carr
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adena_culture
Mounds for the Dead, by Don Dragoo
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-bri ... n-origins/
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC379119/
First Americans arrived as 2 separate migrations, according to new genetic evidence
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 121618.htm
Twelve Millennia: Archaeology of the Upper Mississippi River Valley
By James L Theler and Robert F Boszhardt
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horned_Serpent
http://apps.ohiohistory.org/ohioarchaeo ... -revealed/
http://www.npr.org/2011/01/03/132412112 ... of-indiana
A Most Indispensable Art: Native Fiber Industries from Eastern North America
By James B. Petersen
Writings of Caleb Atwater
https://archive.org/details/writingsofcaleba00atwa
New Relations of Gaspesia by Father Chretian Le Clercq
https://archive.org/details/newrelationofgas05lecl
Views of Louisiana by Henry M. Brackenridge
https://archive.org/details/viewsoflouisiana00inbrac
The Natural and Aboriginal History of Tennessee by John Haywood
https://archive.org/details/naturalaborigina00hayw
Ancient History of the six Nations by David Cusick
https://archive.org/details/davidcusickssket00cusi
A Star in the West by Elias Boudinot
https://archive.org/details/starinwestorhumb00boudarch
Myths of the Cherokees by James Mooney
https://archive.org/details/cu31924104080076
New Views of the Origins of the Tribe and Nations of America by Benjamin Barton
https://archive.org/details/cihm_42881
Life of Joseph Brant-Thayendanegea: by William Stone
https://archive.org/details/lifejosephbrant03stongoog
On the Aborigines of the Western Countries by M.H. Frost
https://books.google.com/books?id=HlEoA ... %20Josephe h%20Daviess%2C%20when%20at%20St.%20Louis%20in%201800%2C&f=false
The History of the American Indians; by James Adair https://books.google.com/books?id=g7BIf ... r.&f=false
Legends of the Micmac by Silas T Rand
https://archive.org/stream/cihm_12305#page/n13/mode/2up
The Coronado expedition
https://books.google.com/books?id=fSEQA ... ss&f=false
Voyage to Carolina by John Lawson
http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/lawson/lawson.html
Problems of the Ohio Mounds by Cyrus Thomas
https://archive.org/details/problemofohiomou00thom
The Hopewell Mound Group of Ohio< Volume 6, Issue 5 by Warren King Moorehead
https://books.google.com/books?id=529BA ... th&f=false
History, manners, and customs of the Indian nations who once inhabited Pennsylvania and the neighboring states By John Heckewelder
https://archive.org/details/histmannerscust00heckrich
The Tennessee Mound Builders by Joseph Jones
http://www.jstor.org/stable/2447098
Foot-prints of vanished races in the Mississippi valley by Alban Conant
https://archive.org/details/footprintsofvani00conauoft
HISTORY OF THE OJIBWAYS, BASED UPON TRADITIONS AND ORAL STATEMENTS by Warren Williams
https://archive.org/details/historyojibways00nielgoog
The Iowa by William Harvey Miner
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/39952/39 ... 9952-h.htm
Aboriginal monuments of the state of New-York. Comprising the results of original surveys and explorations by E.G. Squier
https://archive.org/details/cu31924104075308
The Mound Builders Their Work and Relics by Rev Stephen D Peet PhD
https://archive.org/details/moundbuilders00peetrich
Link is for Greek language Book of Mormon ties
http://packham.n4m.org/linguist.htm
http://www.phoenixmasonry.org/native_am ... ituals.htm

[_Maksutov]

Point me to the one where a PhD in anthropology, archaeology or history endorses the Hopewell equals Nephite theory. That should be easy. Don't be afraid.

Otherwise, back to vain repetitions...

Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.
Show me a single professional in archaeology or anthropology or history who will endorse your stories. Amateurs and pedophile Nazis don't count.

[_Themis]

Point me to the one where a PhD in anthropology, archaeology or history endorses the Hopewell equals Nephite theory. That should be easy. Don't be afraid.

If the evidence is so good these scientists should be saying the Hopewell's are a recent introduction into the Americas from the middle east.