Answers to Creationist Attacks on C-14 Dating

[_huckelberry]

Huckelberry,

Thanks for the geological tour. I enjoyed reading what you had to say about the Wallowa mountains.

From the epic Lake Missoula floods and resulting scab-lands, to the majestic Cascade volcanoes and their lava tube caves, the geology of the Pacific Northwest (and especially the Columbia Plateau in Washington and Oregon) has got to be some of the most varied and interesting anywhere.

Are you a geologist, by the way?

Hi, Dr W, my interest in geology is purely amateur. I enjoy hiking and exploring the natural world. I have read some geology and enjoyed correlating that reading with going out and looking at what is there in the real world. I have been around and over the wallowa mountains enough to have a pretty good picture in my mind of what is there. There have been times I have considered that the Pacific Northwest would be an excellent location for a visual program exploring geological history. So much is visible because so much has happened in what is geologically recent time.

The boy scout camp at Lake Wallowa was the starting point for my first journey into those mountains. I was a boy scout and I fell in love. The rock is a confusing jumble at first , I could not help but ask how all this fits together. Over time being able to see the larger picture instead of just a couple of places the logic of the place started to appear, I found that fascinating.

You may or may not be aware that the camp has been closed for quite a few years. There was a flooding destruction which was not repaired. I was never a part of the logic of not reopening it so I do not know the why. It is too bad . However the trails upward still start at the same spot.

That camp is probably a special place for quite a few people.

[_LittleNipper]

There is no complete geologic column in nature to be found. Evoluted Scientuts simply use their circular reasoning to date fossils. They use the fossil to date the strata and use the strata to date the fossils. And they exclude GOD because they can make biological life ------ oh wait ---- no they imagine this will be possible. But the evoluted scientuts are allowed to do what they want. They know what is "correct".

https://www.worldslastchance.com/biblic ... world.html

Below, we will highlight some of the points that have led WLC to embrace the "Flat Earth." This is not at all intended to be an exhaustive list of proof or evidence. It should, however, prove sufficient to encourage all to begin an honest investigation of this most intriguing and important subject.

It is not easy to shake off an entire lifetime of incessant conditioning and deceptive propaganda, but by the Father's grace, it can be achieved. It is our prayer that you will lay your prejudices and presuppositions at the door of investigation and take the time to study this out with an open mind and honest heart.

The Bible never says the earth is flat; however, the Bible does present the generations from the beginning to the time of Jesus. The Bible does say that the earth is circular in shape and its orbit is fixed. And Jesus says that there was a Flood.

[_Maksutov]

https://www.worldslastchance.com/biblic ... world.html

Below, we will highlight some of the points that have led WLC to embrace the "Flat Earth." This is not at all intended to be an exhaustive list of proof or evidence. It should, however, prove sufficient to encourage all to begin an honest investigation of this most intriguing and important subject.

It is not easy to shake off an entire lifetime of incessant conditioning and deceptive propaganda, but by the Father's grace, it can be achieved. It is our prayer that you will lay your prejudices and presuppositions at the door of investigation and take the time to study this out with an open mind and honest heart.

The Bible never says the earth is flat; however, the Bible does present the generations from the beginning to the time of Jesus. The Bible does say that the earth is circular in shape and its orbit is fixed. And Jesus says that there was a Flood.

Too bad you don't know the Bible. You can't show anywhere in it where it talks about a spheroidal Earth. Here's what the Biblical model of the Earth looks like.



Flat, Nipper. Totally wrong. Just like your Young Earth Creationism. Sorry you're so stubborn but you really aren't interested in learning, are you? You just want to make Christians look bad, as if they're all ignorant fanatics, and too proud to admit when they're wrong.

[_Lemmie]

Huckelberry,

Thanks for the geological tour. I enjoyed reading what you had to say about the Wallowa mountains.

From the epic Lake Missoula floods and resulting scab-lands, to the majestic Cascade volcanoes and their lava tube caves, the geology of the Pacific Northwest (and especially the Columbia Plateau in Washington and Oregon) has got to be some of the most varied and interesting anywhere.

Are you a geologist, by the way?

Hi, Dr W, my interest in geology is purely amateur. I enjoy hiking and exploring the natural world. I have read some geology and enjoyed correlating that reading with going out and looking at what is there in the real world. I have been around and over the wallowa mountains enough to have a pretty good picture in my mind of what is there. There have been times I have considered that the Pacific Northwest would be an excellent location for a visual program exploring geological history. So much is visible because so much has happened in what is geologically recent time.

The boy scout camp at Lake Wallowa was the starting point for my first journey into those mountains. I was a boy scout and I fell in love. The rock is a confusing jumble at first , I could not help but ask how all this fits together. Over time being able to see the larger picture instead of just a couple of places the logic of the place started to appear, I found that fascinating.

You may or may not be aware that the camp has been closed for quite a few years. There was a flooding destruction which was not repaired. I was never a part of the logic of not reopening it so I do not know the why. It is too bad . However the trails upward still start at the same spot.

That camp is probably a special place for quite a few people.

I don't want to intrude as I see this is addressed to DrW, but just wanted to say it's always fascinating to see the story behind the story! thanks, huckelberry.

[_spotlight]

There is no complete geologic column in nature to be found.

Please stop lying LittleNipper. It makes you look like perhaps you are an atheist pretending to be a Christian in order to discredit religion.

This article is a detailed examination of the young earth creationist claim that the geologic column does not exist. It is shown that the entire geologic column exists in North Dakota.

the entire geologic column is found in 25 other basins around the world, piled up in proper order. These basins are:

The Ghadames Basin in Libya
The Beni Mellal Basin in Morrocco
The Tunisian Basin in Tunisia
The Oman Interior Basin in Oman
The Western Desert Basin in Egypt
The Adana Basin in Turkey
The Iskenderun Basin in Turkey
The Moesian Platform in Bulgaria
The Carpathian Basin in Poland
The Baltic Basin in the USSR
The Yeniseiy-Khatanga Basin in the USSR
The Farah Basin in Afghanistan
The Helmand Basin in Afghanistan
The Yazd-Kerman-Tabas Basin in Iran
The Manhai-Subei Basin in China
The Jiuxi Basin China
The Tung t'in - Yuan Shui Basin China
The Tarim Basin China
The Szechwan Basin China
The Yukon-Porcupine Province Alaska
The Williston Basin in North Dakota
The Tampico Embayment Mexico
The Bogata Basin Colombia
The Bonaparte Basin, Australia
The Beaufort Sea Basin/McKenzie River Delta

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/geocolumn/

[_spotlight]

Huckleberry,
Thanks for the great post. I see LittleNipper has no response, yet again. Here's a simpler issue for you to consider LittleNipper. Please explain what a subaerial canyon is doing in the middle of the geologic column.

http://www.oldearth.org/morton/canyons.htm

[_Fence Sitter]

You must prove that there is no God in order to exclude God as data.

Statements that are equally as valid.

You must prove that there is no Santa in order to exclude Santa as data.
You must prove that there are no Leprechauns in order to exclude Leprechauns as data.
You must prove that there are no aliens in order to exclude aliens as data.
You must prove that there are no pink unicorns in order to exclude pink unicorns as data.
You must prove that Allah does not exist in order to exclude Allah as data.

You must prove that the Buddha does not exist in order to exclude Buddha as data.

You must prove that multiple Gods do not exist in order to exclude other Gods from your data set.


LN you have a lot of work to do here in order to exclude all of these things from your worldview. If you cannot prove they do not exist you have to take them into consideration, correct?

/boggle

[_Maksutov]

You must prove that there is no God in order to exclude God as data.

Statements that are equally as valid.

You must prove that there is no Santa in order to exclude Santa as data.
You must prove that there are no Leprechauns in order to exclude Leprechauns as data.
You must prove that there are no aliens in order to exclude aliens as data.
You must prove that there are no pink unicorns in order to exclude pink unicorns as data.
You must prove that Allah does not exist in order to exclude Allah as data.

You must prove that the Buddha does not exist in order to exclude Buddha as data.

You must prove that multiple Gods do not exist in order to exclude other Gods from your data set.


LN you have a lot of work to do here in order to exclude all of these things from your worldview. If you cannot prove they do not exist you have to take them into consideration, correct?

/boggle

Ah, but this is why we so often see paranormal bundles of pseudoscience, pseudohistory, created and promoted for not-at-all-pseudobucks. Because pseudothinkers like their pseudothoughts that make them feel pseudospecial.

[_Fence Sitter]

Ah, but this is why we so often see paranormal bundles of pseudoscience, pseudohistory, created and promoted for not-at-all-pseudobucks. Because pseudothinkers like their pseudothoughts that make them feel pseudospecial.

Well what is really ironic is that time and time again Spotlight, you DrW and others have provided evidence that disproves LN's pseudoscience links and yet he is still not excluding that data from his data set. So his demand to prove his God does not exist is not applicable to him.

LN prove that multiple God do not exist.

You can't so you have to include it in your data set right?

[_Maksutov]

Well what is really ironic is that time and time again Spotlight, you DrW and others have provided evidence that disproves LN's pseudoscience links and yet he is still not excluding that data from his data set. So his demand to prove his God does not exist is not applicable to him.

LN prove that multiple God do not exist.

You can't so you have to include it in your data set right?

Of Nipper it can truly be said that he has created a "cult of Christianity".

It really does grow tiresome to keep providing evidence to those whose fragile egos can't entertain it. Creationism is one of our most pretentious and persistent frauds.