DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

[_Lemmie]

that's were Haplo Group x comes in its a caucasion dna marker from the Middle East. The Book of Mormon states that people from the middle east intermarried with people who were already living on the country they landed on. That is the main belief both for the Meso american model and the north american model.

Hence your association with racist and white supremacist thought, via Wayne May and Frank Joseph:

I'm reviewing chapters from Frank Joseph’s new alternative history anthology, Lost Worlds of Ancient America (New Page Books, 2012). This is my review of Chapters 36 through 40....

Mormon hyper-diffusionist Wayne May gives us Chapter 40, reporting the alleged connection between Native Americans and Europeans via haplogroup X, a DNA marker. This was long-debunked, and there is—as everyone well knows, I hope—no genetic evidence of European origins for Native American populations....

But if there is one thing I’ve learned, people with religious agendas won’t listen to any facts that can’t be squeezed between the lines of their holy writ. If Joseph Smith said evil red people killed off all the white people of early America, then by hook or crook Wayne May will find white people in ancient America, even if they were never there.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/nativ ... om-fiction

[_bomgeography]

The only person who brings up frank Joseph and nazis is you.

By the way Native American haplo group x is from the Middle East

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -american- people-migration-siberia-genetics/)

[_Lemmie]

The only person who brings up frank Joseph and nazis is you.

Tapirrider covered that long ago.

David McKane, you use the writings of "this Frank guy" in your failed attempts to claim evidence for the Book of Mormon. You ignore the writings of actual scientists who speak out against your type of claims. You take the word of a former Nazi child molester over that of credible scholars. And now we know that you think that your own church's apostles made a mistake in the Guatemala temple dedicatory prayers, prayers that are supposed to be inspired from God. So you don't trust the words of your own apostles but you will use the pseudo nonsense writings of a former Nazi convicted child molester and now you accuse Maksutov of being a member of the Nazi party. Do you really expect anyone to take anything you say seriously?

[Guest]

Caucasian is a term used by DNA researchers and the medical community it's only a racist term to you. If the scientific community has banned the word Caucasian as racist I'm not familiar with it sounds to me your making stuff up.

We have already discussed this. The word isn't the problem. At least be honest enough to address what I have said instead of misrepresenting it.

The only person calling the Lamanites wicked is you.

I'm not calling them wicked. I don't believe they ever existed. I provided you scripture sources where the Book of Mormon specifically says the Lamanites are wicked, evil, loathsome, idle, lazy, cursed etc. Your mistake is to attach that label to the plains Indians. Doing that is racist. At the same time, you are claiming that there is a DNA marker for Caucasians and you advocate that the accomplishments in ancient North America were because of them.

Genetic research showing that Native American Haplo group x is a caucasion dna marker has nothing to do with white supremacy.

There is no genetic marker for Caucasian. The sources you use are outdated and now known to be in error on that claim. When you couple that false claim with your claims of ancient civilization in America being based on Caucasian and then go further and say that the plains Indians were Lamanites and exterminated those Caucasians you cross the line into white supremacy doctrine. Your church does not support your claims.

Being a Mormon has nothing to do with white supremacy.

You are not being a Mormon even though you might be one. You are taking your own personal hobbies and ideas far beyond what the living LDS leaders have said. You have publicly stated that two of the apostles are in error in their temple dedicatory prayers. You are making claims that your church does not make and will not back you up on. You have gone maverick and are on your own, posting in the kind of a forum that the leaders of your church have asked the members to avoid. And you are advocating a white supremacist doctrine.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Its not difficult to transfer from the Air National Guard to the Army National Guard. Its more difficult to transfer from the Army to the Air Force though.

Huh. I never met anyone who did that. I suppose all you had to do was talk to both units (presumably in the same state?) and if there was a position it'd probably just a matter of paperwork. Well, I hope you didn't lose any rank with the transfer. I think that happens because it does with the active duty types.

- Doc

[_tapirrider]

I personally believe that the Hopewell are the Nephites. As such MY PERSONAL BELIEF is that Nephi brought over his ability to make swords, woven cloth, metal smithing, etc as explained in the Book of Mormon. The Hopewell civilization was extremely advanced they were metal smiths made their own woven clothing, metal weapons, metal tools, metal jewelry, agriculture, fortifications, and fancy clothing. I personally belief the Hopewell got or developed these advancements is explained in the Book of Mormon. So if you think the Book of Mormon is racist because it states that they brought over technology from the Old World that is your own belief. But that is what millions of Mormons Believe the Book of Mormon is a true historical record of an ancient civilization. Some Mormons point to the indigenous civilizations of meso America, some south America, some even Malaysia, I point to North America.

Woven cloth has been found in North America dating long before the Hopewell, before the timeline of Lehi or even the Jaradites. The same with the use of copper and the domestication of plants in North America. It is racist to ignore the accomplishments of a people and instead attribute that to someone else. In your case, you attribute it to Caucasians coming to America in ancient times. You have no scientific backing for that claim and in fact many archaeologists and scientists have spoken out against such things. The only group of people in the United States who strongly take the position you advocate are white supremacists. Even Mormons are toning down the racism that you are preaching.

[_tapirrider]

that's were Haplo Group x comes in its a caucasion dna marker from the Middle East. The Book of Mormon states that people from the middle east intermarried with people who were already living on the country they landed on. That is the main belief both for the Meso american model and the north american model.

Please provide a coherent and specific verse in the Book of Mormon where people intermarried with anyone who was not from the Book of Mormon stories.

Now back to the racism you preach. What you have done here with your claims is to attribute the human accomplishments of American Indians to ancient Caucasians coming to America while acknowledging that people were here but not giving them the credit.

Bomgeography, you are really making things worse for yourself with each post that you write. I truly hope that you are not using Department of Defense equipment to do this with, and if you are not lying and are really serving in the Army, you are making derogatory claims about the ancestry of every American Indian who has served and/or is currently serving in the Armed Forces of the United States. Native Americans serve greater numbers than any other ethnic group and have a higher concentration of female Servicemembers than all other Servicemembers. I do not appreciate you advocating a doctrine of white supremacy that is derogatory to your fellow service members and veterans who happen to be American Indians.

[_Themis]

By the way Native American haplo group x is from the Middle East

Incorrect. By definition any with haplo x is related, but the question is how close. American Indians haplo x2a is not closely related to other x groups in the middle east or Europe. That means haplo x2a we find in North America could not have come from the Middle East 3 thousand years ago. It arrives much earlier.

[_bomgeography]

2013 is not outdated the Native American haplo group x is a caucasian marker you guys are making stuff up again.

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -american- people-migration-siberia-genetics/)

[_Lemmie]

2013 is not outdated the Native American haplo group x is a caucasian marker you guys are making stuff up again.

Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian peoples with ties to the Middle East and Europe
(“Great Surprise”—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... -american- people-migration-siberia-genetics/)

Old, old rumor that's been discussed so many times with you. Here's Dr. Southerton's blog entry, titled

Response to the claim 1/3 of Native American DNA came from the Middle East - now that would be a Great Surprise:

During the last couple of years I have been asked several times to respond to claims by Mormons that recent human genomics research offers support for the belief that Native Americans have Jewish ancestors. The paper causing the excitement was published in the Jan 2013 issue of Nature, one of the most prestigious scientific journals. The article in question was written by Raghavan et al. and entitled “Upper Palaeolithic Siberian Genome Reveals Dual Ancestry of Native Americans.” The paper would have gone unnoticed by Mormons had a National Geographic journalist not sensationalised it with the following hyperbole.

"Great Surprise"—Native Americans Have West Eurasian Origins.
Oldest human genome reveals less of an East Asian ancestry than thought.
Nearly one-third of Native American genes come from west Eurasian people linked to the Middle East and Europe, rather than entirely from East Asians as previously thought, according to a newly sequenced genome.

Not surprisingly some Mormons reading these headlines have seized upon this research as conclusive proof that Native Americans have Middle Eastern, and thus potentially Jewish, DNA (1, 2, 3, 4). Even President Newsroom cited Raghavan's research in the Church's official "Book of Mormon and DNA Studies" essay, claiming it challenges previous conclusions and proves the picture isn't clear. But the conclusions being challenged have nothing to do with recent Hebrew migrations. The Raghaven study is focussed on a 25,000-year-old paleolithic DNA sample which tells us something about major human migration events that took place over 20,000 years ago. There is nothing in the Raghavan research that supports the Book of Mormon or challenges the mainstream scientific views about the colonization of the New World. Native Americans are still all descended from ancient Asian ancestors.
http://simonsoutherton.blogspot.com/201 ... rican.html

Please read the rest of his blog entry; here is his conclusion:

Summary
Virtually all Eurasian and New World populations descend from populations that migrated out of Africa and colonised West Asia about 50,000 years ago. Eastern Asia is likely to have been first colonised by populations that split away from a southern migration through India that ended in Australia. The Raghavan study tells us that Siberians are mostly derived from people who migrated into Central Asia via a northern route that resulted in little admixture with Eastern Asian populations. The research paper is focussed on very ancient migrations and tells us nothing about the likelihood or occurrence of recent Jewish migrations to the pre-Columbian New World.