DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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bomgeography wrote:None of them were able to explain away how the mik maq language was using Egyptian characters with the same meaning as Egyptian characters. The language was undecipherable until the 1820. But go ahead laugh all you want. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It was impossible for Clercq to read Egyptian Hieroglyphs in 1680 over a hundred years before the language could be read.


Not being able to understand a written langue well enough to read it does not mean they didn't understand many elements of it. Reality is we don't know the relationships of how these symbols were first created or what they originally meant. It's really weak, but that is all you have.
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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Lemmie wrote:
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:BOMG has lost his mind. Why are you guys even talking to him at this point? He's transcended to Faqsian levels of incoherency.

- Doc

Hi Doc! Speaking of faqsian levels, did you see what he came up with today?
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=45407
And why women shouldn't "in general" be openly allowed without strict rules/standards in certain societal roles....

Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:Sadly I haven't. I placed LDSFAQs on Ignore, I think, about a week ago. I've only had three people on Ignore throughout my entire posting 'career' (that's for Bach's benefit), two of which I took off of Ignore because of my philosophy about being heard. However, LDSFAQs will remain on Ignore which I attribute to Blixa's perfect observation resulting in my determination to stop giving him the validation through attention he requires to keep being a human sea cucumber.
Blixa wrote:You are dealing with a mentally disturbed stochastic terrorist. What do you expect? He just recycles hysteria that has been fed to him by the forces of nihilism and destruction. He doesn't have the mental skills necessary to read---he's a "watcher" not a reader. His very identity is embedded in a vulgar narrative of US vs. THEM. Take that away and he has no means with which to make sense of the world around him: a world of frustration, disability and empty hot pocket boxes. Worse, absent the crude authoritarian framework he's accepted, he has no identity. His very sense of self depends on virtual posturing because there is barely any real sphere of social relations in which he participates. Unplug the computer and he disappears.


- Doc

Oh wow, thank you. That's a stunning post from Blixa that I had not seen before.

Just an anecdote, back when ldsfaqs said the sun was a planet, when I looked at that thread again I realized that just before his post someone had posted an ironic and totally facetious quote to make a different point; secondary to the quote was a joke about the earth's core containing what was necessary to make the earth "burst forth as a sun," as some religious metaphor or something.

When I read that, I realized that ldsfaqs had taken that ironic post at face value, and as factual, and that it was the source of ldsfaqs' following posts about the earth being a future star and all his subsequent idiocy. He was just mimicking. Blixa was exactly on track:
He doesn't have the mental skills necessary to read---he's a "watcher" not a reader.

Thanks, Doc. And thanks, Blixa.
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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bomgeography wrote:The 2013 National geographic article just confirms the research done below that you say is outdated. that Native American haplo group x is of caucasian or European ancestry. The national geographic article refers to it as Middle east and European ancestry. Science is a wonderful thing.


The article is not outdated but the claims you are trying to make about it are. Caucasian is not mentioned at all in the National Geographic article. You are trying to make an association that is not there. Ancient European populations were not Caucasian.

The 24,000 year old arm bone was from a people who lived before the white skin color occurred in Europeans, thousands of years before the spread of agriculture into Europe.
http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/04/ ... white-skin

The ancient ancestral relationships not only do not support Book of Mormon stories, they do not support Biblical stories either. Science is a wonderful thing because it shows the truth, that you are cherry picking and misrepresenting the findings of science which is quite common with those who advocate a white supremacist doctrine. The evidence is overwhelming.
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Blixa wrote:You are dealing with a mentally disturbed stochastic terrorist. What do you expect? He just recycles hysteria that has been fed to him by the forces of nihilism and destruction. He doesn't have the mental skills necessary to read---he's a "watcher" not a reader. His very identity is embedded in a vulgar narrative of US vs. THEM. Take that away and he has no means with which to make sense of the world around him: a world of frustration, disability and empty hot pocket boxes. Worse, absent the crude authoritarian framework he's accepted, he has no identity. His very sense of self depends on virtual posturing because there is barely any real sphere of social relations in which he participates. Unplug the computer and he disappears.


- Doc

Hadn't seen this either.

Its almost poetry.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."

DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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Lemmie wrote:And you've posted all of that nonsense over and over,


Just like the final move of a pigeon playing chess.
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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I post the archeological, cultural, linguistic and dna evidence because its just that evidence. You guys ignore it like its not there. Who has their head in the sand its not me.

Reformed Egyptian Four Surviving Characters

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... glyph.html

Native American Freemasonry and the Temple Endowment

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... emple.html

Buried Nephite City and Book of Mormon Elephants

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... hants.html

What City of Bountiful Artifacts Would Look Like

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... would.html

Children of Israel and Native American Fiery Flying Serpents

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... rican.html

Native American Traditional use of Sacred Metal Tablets

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... se-of.html

Nephite (Hopewell Mik Maq) Old World Burial Rites and Rituals

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... world.html

Exact Location of the Waters of Mormon

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html

Mik Maq Nephites and Christ visit

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... visit.html

Hopewell Smelting
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

Hopewell meteoric iron axes and tools

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

Archeological Evidence of the West Sea Fortified Line

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... t-sea.html

Best Book of Mormon DNA Evidence X2A'J

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html

Hill Cumorah Mass Burial Pits and Battlegrounds

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... s-and.html


Native American ties to the Book of Mormon

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html

Native American Jewish Hamsa Symbol

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ymbol.html

Book of Mormon Cloth and Fine Twined Linen

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ttons.html

Book of Mormon Breastplates and Jewelry

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... welry.html

Book of Mormon Horses Chariots Highways and Trade

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... hways.html

Native American Hebrew like temples

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mples.html

Native American Hebrew and Old World Language Ties

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... guage.html

Book of Mormon Swords

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... words.html

Exact location of the Waters of Ripliancum: to Exceed All

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ancum.html

Archeological Evidence of the Fortified Cities by the East Sea

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ified.html
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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bomgeography wrote:I post the archeological, cultural, linguistic and dna evidence because its just that evidence. You guys ignore it like its not there. Who has their head in the sand its not me.

Reformed Egyptian Four Surviving Characters

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... glyph.html

Native American Freemasonry and the Temple Endowment

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... emple.html

Buried Nephite City and Book of Mormon Elephants

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... hants.html

What City of Bountiful Artifacts Would Look Like

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... would.html

Children of Israel and Native American Fiery Flying Serpents

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... rican.html

Native American Traditional use of Sacred Metal Tablets

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... se-of.html

Nephite (Hopewell Mik Maq) Old World Burial Rites and Rituals

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... world.html

Exact Location of the Waters of Mormon

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html

Mik Maq Nephites and Christ visit

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... visit.html

Hopewell Smelting
http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... lting.html

Hopewell meteoric iron axes and tools

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... tools.html

Archeological Evidence of the West Sea Fortified Line

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... t-sea.html

Best Book of Mormon DNA Evidence X2A'J

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... e-x2a.html

Hill Cumorah Mass Burial Pits and Battlegrounds

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... s-and.html


Native American ties to the Book of Mormon

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ormon.html

Native American Jewish Hamsa Symbol

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ymbol.html

Book of Mormon Cloth and Fine Twined Linen

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ttons.html

Book of Mormon Breastplates and Jewelry

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... welry.html

Book of Mormon Horses Chariots Highways and Trade

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... hways.html

Native American Hebrew like temples

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... mples.html

Native American Hebrew and Old World Language Ties

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... guage.html

Book of Mormon Swords

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... words.html

Exact location of the Waters of Ripliancum: to Exceed All

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ancum.html

Archeological Evidence of the Fortified Cities by the East Sea

http://bookofmormonevidence.blogspot.co ... ified.html


No, it isn't evidence. Elephant effigy pipes, Michigan relics, misrepresenting DNA, ignoring radiocarbon dates, misquoting stories about the lost colony of Roanoke, misrepresenting authentic artifacts, misrepresenting American Indian cultures, misrepresenting and/or ignoring the findings of archaeologists and scientists, twisting and misrepresenting what I have said, etc., etc. is not evidence. Your fantastical claims have been addressed, dissected and shown to be full of mistakes and false claims. Even your links don't work and you haven't even bothered to fix them. You have been informed of the racism that you are preaching and you just keep right on with it, without even blinking in the face of the truth that you ignore and defy. One thing for sure, you aren't posting this with the intent of getting outside criticism and analysis to improve your research and correct your errors. No, you are simply posting it to preach your pseudo nonsense and to advocate your white supremacist doctrine. You do this in contradiction to the statements of the apostles and prophets of your church and if you are really on deployment to Afghanistan with the United States Army, your racist preaching is in violation of Department of Defense Instruction 1325.06. You have told me that my hatred for America is so palatable that you can taste it in your mouth and you ignored my request for you to apologize to me for making such a false and derogatory statement against a retired military veteran. You have been banned from other forums and so continue here because nobody else even wants to listen to you. You are the one with your head in the wrong place and just like playing chess with a pigeon, when you have already lost you then spread large quantities of links to your stinking garbage all over the board and pretend to have won the game.
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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The hopewell artifacts aren't fake. The historical accounts aren't fake or twisted. And believing in the Book of Mormon is not a supremacist doctrine. I'm offended and so would millions of Mormons be offended in saying that that the Book of Mormon or the church teaches a supremacist doctrine. If you really think the record of the Book of Mormon is a supremacist doctrine go tell the government.
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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I believe the Book of Mormon to be an authentic translation of an ancient document. I put no credence to speculations of the exact location where the main events of it occurred. For me the evidence we do currently have is for Mesoamerica, not the Hopewell culture of the Midwest US.

Which governmental agency should I go to complain about someone's religion? :rolleyes:
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Re: DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle

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McKane wrote:I post the archeological, cultural, linguistic and dna evidence because its just that evidence. You guys ignore it like its not there. Who has their head in the sand its not me.

So you didn't see any of the posts where people discussed your evidence, in specific, exhaustive detail? What I didn't see was you responding to any of those comments. And there were literally hundreds of comments responding to you, all the same, noting your bad links, your bad research, your use and mis-use of ancient references, your wrong interpretations of data. To NONE of these posts have you responded and defended your work and assumptions, except to re-post the same bad, identical link lists and unsupported assertions.

You were responded to identically here, on MD&D, on ldsfreedomforum, on reddit /exmormon, on reddit/Mormon, on Simon Southerton's blog site, on the Mormon Bandwagon site, on newordermormon.org, on mormonstories, on mormondiscussionspodcast.org, etc. etc. etc.

At what point do you realize that you are shopping around nonsense, and actually try to take a legitimate, academic approach to research?

Even Nemisis, at MD&D, has had enough:
Ok so over the past few years you've come to this site under 3 different usernames peddling the same wares.  You have never been in it for a discussion, so what's your point in being here again?  Are you seriously trying to discuss or are you just preaching?
Nemesis
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/680 ... ze/?page=1

And here's an fascinating response to you from mormonstories:
RLeeG
January 29, 2016 at 12:54 pm
it feels strange to read posts like David’s now because I was once like David. I found some old ones on the internet, long ones, where I wrote up the greatest evidences I had to defend Mormonism. I thought they were great. Go ahead and prove me wrong, I thought. I am right. Look at this great scholarship I am referencing and discussing and studying.

Now I read those old posts and cringe in embarrassment. I realize now that those I was arguing with passionately were probably thinking, “Wow. Look at this guy. Hey guys, come read this guy’s crazy posts!” Cause when I go back and read them, that is what I am thinking. It’s almost like it must have been someone else. That couldn’t have been me.

David, your posts and references are not convincing. They are full of straw man arguments that attempt to completely deflect the focus away from why the Book of Mormon is not supported by any serious archeologists outside the LDS community. Not only that, but Clay has already explained that behind these, are a thousand other obstacles you have to pole vault and gymnastics your way around to make the church true. I did it. I deconstructed. Reconstructed. The nuanced constructs of faith I created would impress anyone. Then one day, I zoomed out and looked at what I had built and was like, WHAT!??!! Craziness. Sheer craziness. What I had built wasn’t even Mormonism any longer. It was just insanity. Dave, I am here to tell you that you have lost your mind. It’s okay. It happens to the best of us. Let it go man. It’s okay. Things will be alright if you just accept reality. You’ll feel better. You really will.


So David, you say you love to debate, but you refuse to actually do so. At this point, the only conclusion is that you are aware that you actually cannot legitimately support any of your research conclusions, so there is no point in trying.

The other, very real issue tapirrider has addressed multiple times:
One thing for sure, you aren't posting this with the intent of getting outside criticism and analysis to improve your research and correct your errors. No, you are simply posting it to preach your pseudo nonsense and to advocate your white supremacist doctrine. You do this in contradiction to the statements of the apostles and prophets of your church and if you are really on deployment to Afghanistan with the United States Army, your racist preaching is in violation of Department of Defense Instruction 1325.06.
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