DNA scientists claim that Cherokees are from the Middle East

[_Lemmie]

The hopewell artifacts aren't fake. The historical accounts aren't fake or twisted. And believing in the Book of Mormon is not a supremacist doctrine. I'm offended and so would millions of Mormons be offended in saying that that the Book of Mormon or the church teaches a supremacist doctrine. If you really think the record of the Book of Mormon is a supremacist doctrine go tell the government.

Once again, you are deliberately misinterpreting. Tapirrider has documented that YOUR defense of YOUR assumptions about the Book of Mormon and Native American history constitute supremacist doctrine.

you are simply posting it to preach your pseudo nonsense and to advocate your white supremacist doctrine. You do this in contradiction to the statements of the apostles and prophets of your church and if you are really on deployment to Afghanistan with the United States Army, your racist preaching is in violation of Department of Defense Instruction 1325.06.

[_bomgeography]

Lemmie

The hopewell civilization is not fake neither are the artifacts or genetic research that shows North American native Americans have a genetic marker from the Middle East and Europe

[_Lemmie]

Lemmie

The hopewell civilization is not fake neither are the artifacts

not relevant to your Book of Mormon argument.

...or genetic research that shows North American native Americans have a genetic marker from the Middle East and Europe

You've been given ample opportunity to present your arguments to prove that, and you have failed miserably. Many people have addressed this issue with you and you have adamantly refused to explain or document your assertions, or to address the concerns people have with your "research."

Your inability to address even the most basic, high school level of scientific issues is disturbing. This is the only conclusion possible at this point:

you are simply posting it to preach your pseudo nonsense and to advocate your white supremacist doctrine. You do this in contradiction to the statements of the apostles and prophets of your church and if you are really on deployment to Afghanistan with the United States Army, your racist preaching is in violation of Department of Defense Instruction 1325.06.

[_Themis]

I post the archeological, cultural, linguistic and dna evidence because its just that evidence. You guys ignore it like its not there. Who has their head in the sand its not me.

I have brought up that the science has been very clear that Haplo x found in North America arrived well before Book of Mormon times and is related to Middle east and European x by well over 10 thousands years ago. You have ignored this over and over again. It cannot represent DNA from Book of Mormon people if they existed.

[_Lemmie]

Speaking of McKane's "research,"

The Nephites who I believe had Caucasian DNA were killed off by the Lamanites. The North American Indians have a legend of a foreign white race being completely killed or removed from certain areas.

Here's the company you keep, McKane:

Graham Hancock Announces Plans to Investigate Mound Builder Myth, Search for Lost White Race in America
10/11/2016

Remember the myth of the lost white race of Mound Builders? It’s currently en vogue thanks the resurgence of white supremacist and white nationalist thinking among racists...

The Lost Race of the Mound Builders hypothesis speculated that the mounds of North America were the result of outside influence...[the]most popular version held that a lost white race had colonized and developed North America until they were eradicated by “savage” Red Indians, who invaded and massacred all of the white people in relatively recent historical times....

We find this same myth in the Book of Mormon, where the noble white race of the first Americans falls to decadent savages who are punished by having their skin darkened (2 Nephi 5:21; 3 Nephi 2:15; Alma 3:6).

...[Donnelly argued that] only white people were true descendants of Noah, and the other races were a separate and inferior branch of humanity from Adam’s evil son, Cain; therefore, the Flood which destroyed the Nephilim—i.e. white folk who engaged in miscegenation with non-white Cainites—and Atlantis was meant to purify the white race and had no effect on the non-white races.

Donnelly... applied this line of racist reasoning...to the Valley of the Mississippi, occupied by the ‘Mound Builders.’”

Hancock... wants to bring this specious and racist line of reasoning, derived explicitly from a white supremacist view of the Bible, back to life as “alternative” archaeology.

Graham Hancock, a British writer seemingly oblivious to the history of the ideas he resurrects, happily joins with the colonizers, conquerors, and conquistadors in fantasizing about an ancient “outpost” or “center” of a lost white civilization in America.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/graha ... in-america

[_Philo Sofee]

I used to be a Graham Hancock fan in the good old days. And then I began to read real information. And that was all it took for me.

[_tapirrider]

The hopewell artifacts aren't fake. The historical accounts aren't fake or twisted. And believing in the Book of Mormon is not a supremacist doctrine. I'm offended and so would millions of Mormons be offended in saying that that the Book of Mormon or the church teaches a supremacist doctrine. If you really think the record of the Book of Mormon is a supremacist doctrine go tell the government.

You use known hoax artifacts. You misrepresent and misinterpret authentic artifacts. You use old writings that are known to be wrong in certain claims and then you claim they are evidence. They are not. You misrepresent what I have said to you on many things. And like a chess playing pigeon, when you are getting beat you throw feces all over the board and pretend that you won.

Now let's talk about that Book of Mormon doctrine, shall we? 1 Nephi 13 is a racist writing. It is the only writing in the world about Manifest Destiny and the Christian Doctrine of Discovery that has been canonized and believed to be scripture by those who believe the Book of Mormon. It is a racist teaching. Why should I tell the government? What do you think they should do?

The nation that I wore the uniform for does not interfere in the religious teachings of its citizens. It also does not interfere with those who speak out in criticism of religion. It does however put certain restrictions on members of the armed forces concerning advocating supremacist doctrine, which you are doing as a maverick, not even in harmony with your church. Your suggestion to me to tell the government is juvenile and asinine.

[_bomgeography]

The Book of Mormon is a historical record. 1NE 13 does foretell that Native American would unfortunately be devastated by the onslaught of European arrival. The diseases that Europeans brought. And the fact that Europeans stole their land. The government forcibly moving them to reservations.

The Book of Mormon does not state that white people are better than any other national or skin color. people misinterpret the idea that the Book of Mormon when it refers to skin. The verses that people see as offensive I interpret as being a outward expression of one persons spiritual nature. Its uses is similiar to how its used in the Old Testament.

I have never stated that white people are better than any other race or nationality.
I believe what the Book of Mormon preaches that all men are alike to God “all are alike unto God.”1NE 26:33.

What you TAPIR are claiming that the Book of Mormon, Mormons or myself teach white supremacy is completely wrong, offensive and a blatant LIE. You are the liar.

It was not to long ago your avatar was a Native American riding a tapir a mockery of Native Americans and Mormons in general.

[_The CCC]

I have brought up that the science has been very clear that Haplo x found in North America arrived well before Book of Mormon times and is related to Middle east and European x by well over 10 thousands years ago. You have ignored this over and over again. It cannot represent DNA from Book of Mormon people if they existed.

We have no idea as to what the genetic markers for the Book of Mormon peoples would look like.

[Guest]

The Book of Mormon is a historical record. 1NE 13 does foretell that Native American would unfortunately be devastated by the onslaught of European arrival. The diseases that Europeans brought. And the fact that Europeans stole their land. The government forcibly moving them to reservations.

The Book of Mormon does not state that white people are better than any other national or skin color. people misinterpret the idea that the Book of Mormon when it refers to skin. The verses that people see as offensive I interpret as being a outward expression of one persons spiritual nature. Its uses is similiar to how its used in the Old Testament.

I have never stated that white people are better than any other race or nationality.
I believe what the Book of Mormon preaches that all men are alike to God “all are alike unto God.”1NE 26:33.

What you TAPIR are claiming that the Book of Mormon, Mormons or myself teach white supremacy is completely wrong, offensive and a blatant LIE. You are the liar.

It was not to long ago your avatar was a Native American riding a tapir a mockery of Native Americans and Mormons in general.

I have never had the avatar of the American Indian riding a tapir. I was opposed to that image when it was photo shopped and proposed on reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... he_church/

This was my comment then:
"[–][deleted] 2 points 3 years ago
Instead of using a Native American, how about Moroni and his trumpet. I'm quite certain that American Indians don't want to be another kind of mascot."

I no longer post on reddit and deleted my account there a few years ago.

That avatar is not mine and never was. From the day I set up my youtube account with the tapirrider name it has had the avatar of the red-tailed hawk, a photo that I took of a nesting pair near my home. I know that you have difficulty grasping timelines but the fact is my avatar of the red tailed hawk was in place before that photo shop image of the American Indian on a tapir popped up on reddit. It takes some nerve to fabricate such a lie about me while calling me the liar.

The Book of Mormon teaches racism in 1 Nephi 13. It specifically states that god's spirit was with the Europeans and his wrath on the Indians. I am not talking about the references to skin color. It teaches that god blessed the Europeans with a new promised land, while causing the American Indians to be scattered and smitten. By putting god into the events, it makes the Europeans superior because god was on their side and the American Indian inferior because god's wrath was on them.

The UN Declaration for the Rights of Indigenous Peoples identifies that type of thing to be racist and morally condemnable.

"all doctrines, policies and practices based on or advocating superiority of peoples or individuals on the basis of national origin or racial, religious, ethnic or cultural differences are racist, scientifically false, legally invalid, morally condemnable and socially unjust"
http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/doc ... IPS_en.pdf

Now stop and think about this, bofmgeography. This isn't what you tried to make it out to be. What has actually happened in the past 500 years isn't what I am disputing. This is strictly about the Book of Mormon claim that god's spirit was with the Europeans and his wrath on the Indians. That is in fact a racist teaching and is scientifically false. The truth I am discussing here might be offensive to Mormons. So be it. It is not a personal attack on them as individuals, I am simply stating the facts about the Book of Mormon's teachings in 1 Nephi 13. If Mormons are offended by that it is not my problem. The Book of Mormon promotes a morally condemnable doctrine and Mormons should be offended by that, not by the facts that I am discussing.

I am not lying, you are the one with a demonstrated pattern of dishonesty. Speaking of lies, the Book of Mormon is a lie, written by a 19th century conman and incorporates 19th century racism and teachings that have no place in the 21st century.

That doesn't even slow you down though. You have stated that ancient white people in America created the civilization and they were destroyed by Indians. You even proposed that it was the Plains Indians who destroyed your fantasy white civilization. You are preaching racism and it isn't up to you to say that you aren't. Go ahead and make your excuses, they are as weak as your false claims of science. Your distortions of DNA science and false claims of a Caucasian DNA marker, all that you have said advocates white supremacy. The Mormon church has spent years now trying to tone things down and you are working against that, on your own.