including holy ghost (?)

[_bomgeography]

I'm shocked that you guys don't believe in the after life after all its a SCIENTIFIC well researched study.

[_Lemmie]

Im not saying ghost or spirits are made up of dark matter or energy what I'm saying is that scientist don't know what makes up a Ghost or spirit just like they don't know what dark matter or energy is.

Two posts up:

In fact, we know a lot about Dark Matter. We know approximately when it was formed in the evolution of the universe. We know that it is not evenly distributed in space and have a very good idea of where it is concentrated and where it is not. We know that it interacts gravitationally with ordinary matter and can identify where it is concentrated in the universe through this interaction. The best models for dark matter are consistent with the attributes of weakly interacting massive particles (WIMPS).

Solar neutrinos, many billions of which pass through your body every second, are examples of such weakly interacting particles. WIMPS would be simply be more massive than neutrinos and interact far less (if at all, aside from gravitationally) with ordinary matter.

As to the question of dark energy being related to ghosts or spirits, the answer is simple: nope.

In the first place, so called ghosts and spirits do not exist outside the mind.

And even if they did, dark energy would be a very poor choice for a material from which to make such ghosts. Dark energy is highly dispersed and greatly"diluted" in space. Getting enough of it this dark energy (very likely a component of vacuum energy) or any other kind of energy together in one place for sufficient time to form a ghost or entity that could exhibit intelligence, convey information or interact with ordinary matter is (as was stated by Brian Cox as cited in the OP) a thermodynamic impossibility.

[_bomgeography]

Im just quoting what researches have stated.

"Dark matter is an unidentified type of matter distinct from dark energy, baryonic matter (ordinary matter), and neutrinos whose existence would explain a number of otherwise puzzling astronomical observations."

"In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space..."

"This hypothetical dispersive force came to be known as dark energy, because astronomers didn't really know what it was (and still don't, as a matter of fact)."

[Guest]

I'm shocked that you guys don't believe in the after life after all its a SCIENTIFIC well researched study.

None of the work that you cited would be classified as well researched, let alone good science. It is click bait for the gullible.

The German study described, if indeed there was such a study, is a joke. Putting healthy volunteers into a drug induced coma then a state of clinical death (stopping the heart?? ) with drugs - then restarting the heart with a defibrillator and re-animating with DMT and epinephrine (adrenaline) is a procedure that would never pass any credible human studies review committee.

If someone wishes to have an out of body experience, just go ahead and administer the DMT and forget about making them clinically dead first.

Again, "clinically dead" is not the same as "brain dead".

The rest of the "research" cited essentially consists of interviews with patients. Pretty subjective stuff. Not much in the way of objective data - so not much in the way of good hard science. Did they collect EEG data as well as ECG / EKG data?

As Lemmie suggested on the other thread, have a look at some of the other articles offered by your source publication as a hint as to the general credibility of the article.

In this same on-line edition as the second hand article about the German study you cited, there is an article that claims Donald Trump is obsessed with the size of his penis, and is addicted to penis enlarging pills. The article states that he would take several dozen a day, and overdosed at least twice after taking several hundred in a single day.

Do you believe this?

(If the answer is 'yes', then perhaps you are not as stalwart a Mormon as you claim.)

[_The CCC]

Im just quoting what researches have stated.

"Dark matter is an unidentified type of matter distinct from dark energy, baryonic matter (ordinary matter), and neutrinos whose existence would explain a number of otherwise puzzling astronomical observations."

"In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space..."

"This hypothetical dispersive force came to be known as dark energy, because astronomers didn't really know what it was (and still don't, as a matter of fact)."

There is nothing wrong with not knowing something. It is very wrong to say ""I don't know what it is, so it must be "X"".

[_bomgeography]

I'm shocked that you guys don't believe in the after life after all its a SCIENTIFIC well researched study.

None of the work that you cited would be classified as well researched, let alone good science. It is click bait for the gullible.

The German study described, if indeed there was such a study, is a joke. Putting healthy volunteers into a drug induced coma then a state of clinical death (stopping the heart?? ) with drugs - then restarting the heart with a defibrillator and re-animating with DMT and epinephrine (adrenaline) is a procedure that would never pass any credible human studies review committee.

If someone wishes to have an out of body experience, just go ahead and administer the DMT and forget about making them clinically dead first.

Again, the "clinically dead" is not the same as "brain dead".

The rest of the "research" cited essentially consists of interviews with patients. Pretty subjective stuff. Not much in the way of objective data - so not much in the way of good hard science. Did they collect EEG data as well as ECG / EKG data?

As Lemmie suggested on the other thread, have a look at some of the other articles offered by you source publication as a hint as to the general credibility of the article.

In this same on-line edition as the second hand article about the German study you cited, there is an article that claims Donald Trump is obsessed with the size of his penis, and is addicted to penis enlarging pills. The article states that he would take several dozen a day, and overdosed at least twice after taking several hundred in a single day.

Do you believe this? If the answer is yes, then perhaps you are not as stalwart a Mormon as you claim.

If this article was about disproving god or the afterlife you guys would be like what a great article. This is pure science at its best.

[_Physics Guy]

Im just quoting what researches have stated.

"Dark matter is an unidentified type of matter distinct from dark energy, baryonic matter (ordinary matter), and neutrinos whose existence would explain a number of otherwise puzzling astronomical observations."

"In physical cosmology and astronomy, dark energy is an unknown form of energy which is hypothesized to permeate all of space..."

"This hypothetical dispersive force came to be known as dark energy, because astronomers didn't really know what it was (and still don't, as a matter of fact)."

That much is correct. The effects of dark energy are only noticeable on intergalactic scales, however. That's what's puzzling about it. If it were anything that one could notice on Earth, we'd have seen it at CERN and it wouldn't be nearly as mysterious.

Quick primer on dark energy vs. dark matter:
"Dark energy" is a term for whatever it is that is causing intergalactic space to expand at an accelerating rate. We have deduced this accelerating expansion from measurements on light coming to us from the most remote galaxies that we can see. Whatever dark energy is, it effectively works against ordinary gravity, moving things further apart from each other. Whatever dark energy is, it is probably nothing like any other matter or force that we know.

"Dark matter" is a term for whatever it is that is holding stars together in galaxies, and galaxies together in clusters, more tightly than we can account for by the gravity of stars and glowing gas. Dark matter could conceivably be perfectly ordinary stuff—dust, gas, rocks—that we simply can't see because it's not hot enough to glow. Or it could be weird kinds of particles that don't interact with any of the kinds of particles that we know. How much dark matter we think may be ordinary, and how much we think has to be exotic, has swung back and forth over the years as data has grown and theories have developed. I'm not sure exactly where the balance lies right now.

So dark matter increases gravity, while dark energy counteracts gravity. Dark energy is probably the more mysterious of the two. Dark energy is relevant on the largest length scales that we can see, intergalactic and much longer; it has no discernible effect within any one galaxy. Dark matter is noticeable in looking at how the motions of stars vary over a whole galaxy, and at how nearby galaxies move relative to each other. Neither of these phenomena are noticeable over distances as small as those between neighboring stars. They are completely irrelevant to anything within our solar system.

If you just want to say that science hasn't yet figured everything out, and cite dark matter and dark energy as examples, then fine. There are lots of other examples as well, even much closer to home. Just be careful to emphasize that you're not suggesting that dark matter or dark energy in particular have anything to do with spirit or spirits. That suggestion would really make no sense.

[Guest]

That was my point. That there is a lot that science can't explain. I should have clarified that I was not trying to say ghost or spirits are made up of dark matter.

They very well could be. But that was not the point I was trying to make.

[_DrW]

If this article was about disproving god or the afterlife you guys would be like what a great article. This is pure science at its best.

Pure science at its best would not be represented by an article that claimed to prove there is no afterlife.

Pure science at its best would do exactly what Physics Guy did and look at the probability that there is an afterlife, or ghosts, or evil spirits, etc., given what we know about fundamental physics, as well as science and reality in general.

The conclusion is that such phenomena are not allowed under the Standard Model of physics. Therefore, the probability that there is a an afterlife, or the anthropomorphic Mormon god for that matter, is so exceedingly small as to not merit a second thought.

[_bomgeography]

If this article was about disproving god or the afterlife you guys would be like what a great article. This is pure science at its best.

Pure science at its best would not be represented by an article that claimed to prove there is no afterlife.

Pure science at its best would do exactly what Physics Guy did and look at the probability that there is an afterlife, or ghosts, or evil spirits, etc., given what we know about fundamental physics, as well as science and reality in general.

The conclusion is that such phenomena are not allowed under the Standard Model of physics. Therefore, the probability that there is a an afterlife, or the anthropomorphic Mormon god for that matter, is so exceedingly small as to not merit a second thought.

According to the scientific research done you would be incorrect.