Science proves life after death

[_DrW]

Last time I checked lemmie your not a scientist but the doctors and psychologist who conducted the comprehensive studies are.

bomgeo,

If indeed you had checked, you would know that Lemmie is an academic. This means that, unlike you, she is well trained and experienced in distinguishing fact from fiction and valid information from the kind of nonsense for which you have become so well known.

There is so much wrong with your statements, and the badly spun science and pseudoscience described in the articles you cited, that it's hard to know where to begin.

As everyone reading this will know (except you, apparently) cardiac arrest is not the same as death. Cardiac arrest simply means that the heart ceases normal function and that, as a result, insufficient oxygenated blood is being circulated to allow for normal cell function over the long term.

Over the short term in cardiac arrest, the brain can continue to function, whether conscious or unconscious, often for some time, especially if body temperature is lowered.

This is why young children involved in cold water drownings can sometimes be resuscitated after being under water for extended periods (up to 30 minutes in rare cases). Open heart surgical procedures can involve lowering body temperature and intentionally stopping the heart for up to 45 minutes or so, while cardiopulmonary by-pass equipment provides oxygenated blood to the patient.

Death occurs when there is no longer electrical activity in the brain, not when the heart stops. The term "flat line" when referring to what many term "clinical death" means that there is no signal on the electrocardiogram (EKG - from the heart), not the electroencephalogram (EEG - from the brain).

Conscious perception, thought, and especially memory, are a result of electrical activity in the brain. In most jurisdictions, the term 'death' has come to mean brain death, or the total absence of electrical activity in the brain including the brain stem. After brain death, no perception, thought or memory can exist. Brain death is irreversible - period.

These are scientific and medical facts, and should be kept in mind when judging the validity of sensationalistic, life after death, click bait woo woo such as found in the articles you cite as "evidence".

[_bomgeography]

I'm shocked that you guys don't believe in the after life after all they are SCIENTIFIC well researched studies.

[_The CCC]

I'm shocked that you guys don't believe in the after life after all they are SCIENTIFIC well researched studies.

No; they are not.

[_bomgeography]

I'm shocked that you guys don't believe in the after life after all they are SCIENTIFIC well researched studies.

No; they are not.

CCC what are you trying to say

[_Physics Guy]

There has been some scientific interest around defining exactly what it should mean to say that someone dies. Once upon a time the notion was that death meant the heart had stopped. Nowadays we figure that death is really about the brain. It's still not so clear exactly what point of reduced brain function should be called "death". Is a person still alive just because they have a goldfish-level of neural activity still going on? Probably not. But exactly how low can brain activity get, and then come back again?

I don't think that's completely clear yet. So you get some studies which indicate that some previously hypothesized point-of-no-return might not really be irreversible after all. People talk that up as "life after death", meaning that revivable life is shown to persist somewhat beyond a previously hypothesized point of irrecoverable death. None of this is about any disembodied soul persisting beyond the destruction of the brain.

[_bomgeography]

Doctors can actually keep somebody dead for about 45 minutes and bring them back to life without any serious effects by dropping the core body temperature down. One example mentioned the person was dead for 20 minutes enough that all brain activity had stopped.

In another example a women had an outer body experience she was dead for over half an hour brought back to life without issue due to the lowering of the core body temperature. In the recovering room she was able to describe the tools the doctor used to do surgery on her.

[_The CCC]

bomgeography:

Pretty simple really. I believe in life after death, but there is no scientific evidence currently available for such.

[Guest]

Well CCC

Professional doctors, psychologist and researches disagree with you.

The results revealed that 40% of those who survived a cardiac arrest were aware during the time that they were clinically dead and before their hearts were restarted. Dr. Parnia, in the interview stated: “The evidence thus far suggests that in the first few minutes after death, consciousness is not annihilated. Whether it fades away afterwards, we do not know, but right after death, consciousness is not lost. We know the brain can’t function when the heart has stopped beating. But in this case conscious awareness appears to have continued for up to three minutes into the period when the heart wasn’t beating, even though the brain typically shuts down within 20-30 seconds after the heart has stopped. This is significant, since it has often been assumed that experiences in relation to death are likely hallucinations or illusions, occurring either before the heart stops or after the heart has been successfully restarted. but not an experience corresponding with ‘real’ events when the heart isn’t beating. Furthermore, the detailed recollections of visual awareness in this case were consistent with verified events”.
The study director continued, saying that, “A total of 2060 cardiac arrest patients were studied. Of that number, 330 survived and 140 said that they had been partly aware at the time of resuscitating”. Of these latter, states Parnia, “thirty-nine per cent […] described a perception of awareness, but did not have any explicit memory of events”, which suggests, according to Dr. Parnia, that “more people may have mental activity initially but then lose their memories, either due to the effects of brain injury or sedative drugs on memory recall”.


The study was reviewed at georgetown university

In our opinion, the study led by Parnia merits special attention, because of its scientific rigor and the prudence of its conclusions, which are supported by scientifically proven facts.

https://bioethics.georgetown.edu/2015/0 ... published/

I consider there opinion to hold more weight then yours

[Guest]

Doctors can actually keep somebody dead for about 45 minutes and bring them back to life without any serious effects by dropping the core body temperature down. One example mentioned the person was dead for 20 minutes enough that all brain activity had stopped.

In another example a women had an outer body experience she was dead for over half an hour brought back to life without issue due to the lowering of the core body temperature. In the recovering room she was able to describe the tools the doctor used to do surgery on her.

Nobody "comes back" from brain death. Brain death means that the cells in the brain are no longer capable of generating the electrical activity that constitutes conscious, or unconscious, brain function. If the cells of the brain are no longer capable, then neither re-profusion, electrical stimulation, chemical stimulation, earnest prayer, or anything else will make them capable again - period.
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ETA, I see from your latest post immediately above that you still have not internalized the difference between cessation of cardiac function and cessation of brain function. Until your comments reflect some evidence of this awareness, I see no point in my further participation here.

[_honorentheos]

Reading the links, I don't think bomgeography read the details of the reporting. What is described begins with a study of approximately 2000 people who suffered cardiac arrest. It looks at those who survived, around 300, and then states 40% of this group report some form of recall or awareness from the period when they were believed to be clinically dead. Of this group, a certain percentage described this awareness as purely emotional, most commonly feeling fear. There is one - one - example that is cited that sounds like your typical out of body experience narrative where the person describes things that others who were in the room afterward say, "Yeah, he's right! How could he have known that?"

Not exactly the scientific basis for supporting life after death bomgeography claims is being supported here even in his own sources.