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bomgeography wrote:According to the scientific research done you would be incorrect.

You will need to do better than that.

You can start by explaining why you believe that reports of perceptions from an individual exhibiting brain wave activity is best interpreted as evidence for life after death, when said person was, in fact, "clinically dead" (no heart beat) but not brain dead.
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The doctors and psychologist and the researchers would disagree with your nonprofessional conclusion unless you are a reall DR. DR W
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bomgeography wrote:The doctors and psychologist and the researchers would disagree with your nonprofessional conclusion unless you are a reall DR. DR W

You are welcome to decide for yourself. I hold Ph.D. in neuroendocrinology from a leading medical school in the UK, served a post doc at MIT, and have published dozens of peer reviewed papers and two books in the field.

A good portion of my time over more than 20 years as a professional scientist was spent studying electromagnetic field effects on the brain. Nearly a year was spent full time as a consultant working on the problem of human cryo-preservation. This little misadventure included detailed study of the process of cell death in the brain and various perfusion techniques to be used immediately after death in an attempt to reduce freezing damage to brain cells during subsequent cryo-preservation procedures. (I came away from the latter experience convinced that this particular field is more religion than science.)

However, you needn't take my word for any of this. As Honorentheos suggested, perhaps you should read the articles you are citing (and indeed posts on the two threads) a bit more carefully, and then make sure you understand the terms being used and and procedures being described.

The problem here is yours. You fail to understand the difference between clinical death and brain death and what this means in terms of the significance (or lack thereof) of the findings reported.

Also, you might want think about why it is that no one here agrees with your personal conclusions and claims regarding these issues.
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Well I think I will go by what the research studies have found. I'm sure they have done more research on the topic then you have and everybody else on this forum.
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One example is Pam reynolds

Pam Reynolds Lowery (1956 – May 22, 2010), from Atlanta, Georgia, was an American singer-songwriter.[1] In 1991, at the age of 35, she stated that she had a near-death experience (NDE) during a brain operation performed by Robert F. Spetzler at the Barrow Neurological Institute in Phoenix, Arizona. Her experience is one of the most widely documented in near-death studies because of the circumstances under which it happened. Reynolds was under close medical monitoring during the entire operation. During part of the operation she had no brain-wave activity and no blood flowing in her brain, which rendered her clinically dead. She claimed to have made several observations during the procedure which later medical personnel reported to be accurate.
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bomgeography wrote:Well I think I will go by what the research studies have found. I'm sure they have done more research on the topic then you have and everybody else on this forum.


The problem is just like the way you use research studies for your Book of Mormon evidence. You misinterpret them, misrepresent them, fail to comprehend them, cherry pick only what you want from them and even throw in less than credible sources for good measure. Then when your conclusions are soundly criticized you make insulting comments at individuals who are simply trying to help you see the truth.
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bomgeography wrote:Well I think I will go by what the research studies have found. I'm sure they have done more research on the topic then you have and everybody else on this forum.


You're "sure". :lol: You also like to go by white supremacist nonsense written by Nazi pedophiles, so your bar is already set pretty low. Enjoy it. :lol:
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When ever you do not have a comeback you bring up your most favorite topic nazis If you do a search about comments about nazis it always you.
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bomgeography wrote:Well I think I will go by what the research studies have found. I'm sure they have done more research on the topic then you have and everybody else on this forum.

Okay. So, what have these researchers concluded?

Well, let's see. They have reported, in essence, that individuals who have been resuscitated after having been in cardiac arrest for more than the average maximum non-perfusion time associated with unrecoverable brain ischemia, have reported perceptions associated with a conscious brain.

The fact that these people were resuscitated means that they were not brain dead - i.e. not dead.

Since these individuals were not dead, how is this kind of observation proof, or even evidence, for life after death?
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What they concluded was that consciousness continues after death.
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