The Mystery of Godliness

[_bomgeography]

The Book of Mormon is not racist.

[_Lemmie]

The Book of Mormon is not racist.

If that is your argument, then why not specifically address tapirrider's comments?

The Book of Mormon does teach racist ideas. I did not say that you, as an individual, are racist. I have strongly spoken that your writings are promoting and advocating a supremacist doctrine. They are. I have made no misinterpretation of 1 Nephi 13. The teachings found in that chapter clearly state that God's spirit was with the Europeans and His wrath on American Indians. It is the only scripture in the world that has canonized the Christian doctrine of discovery, a.k.a. Manifest Destiny.

[_bomgeography]

The Book of Mormon in 1 Nephi 13 prophesies of the discovery of the Americas it states that his people would not be utterly destroyed. The indigenous people of the Americas were tragically devastate by the diseases that the Europeans brought over the atrocities that they committed against indigenous people and forcibly removing them from their traditional lands

This was a prophecy a matter of history. Nephi prophesied of this over a thousand years before it happened.

[_tapirrider]

The Book of Mormon in 1 Nephi 13 prophesies of the discovery of the Americas it states that his people would not be utterly destroyed. The indigenous people of the Americas were tragically devastate by the diseases that the Europeans brought over the atrocities that they committed against indigenous people and forcibly removing them from their traditional lands

This was a prophecy a matter of history. Nephi prophesied of this over a thousand years before it happened.

I have explained this to you before, but you still fail to even acknowledge or address my point. The very specific statements in those verses in 1 Nephi 13 are that God's spirit was with the Europeans and His wrath on the American Indians. That is the crux of the racism being taught in that chapter. If it were just a 19th Century writing or a history book detailing the ideas of the 19th Century or even a claim made on a racist website, that would be an entirely different matter to deal with. But it isn't any of those things. It is a canonized scripture and believed to be true by followers of Book of Mormon based churches. And it is a racist teaching that has no place in the 21st century.

[Guest]

It was a prophecy. Nephi was not politically correct in the way he described his revelation but that does not mean he is racist.

[_tapirrider]

It was a prophecy. Nephi was not politically correct in the way he described his revelation but that does not he is racist.

Let's examine two verses in 1 Nephi 13

14 And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten.

15 And I beheld the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, and they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance; and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful, like unto my people before they were slain.

You insist that it was a prophecy. But what do you actually believe? Do you literally believe that God's wrath was on the American Indians? The alleged prophecy says that was the case. Do you concur with that verse?

Do you literally believe that God's spirit was with the Europeans? Do you concur that they prospered and obtained the lands because of divine intervention?

[_bomgeography]

The first European settlers to arrive to the new world were the pilgrims fleeing religious persecution. They wanted to practice their religion without persecution. So the answer to that is yes. What happens after that is a different story

[_tapirrider]

The first European settlers to arrive to the new world were the pilgrims fleeing religious persecution. They wanted to practice their religion without persecution. So the answer to that is yes. What happens after that is a different story

If you limit your interpretation to just the pilgrims, how do you explain verse 14 "many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise;"? That does not agree with your statement "What happens after that is a different story" because the many multitudes happened after the first pilgrims.

And if you limit it to just the pilgrims, can you tell me why you think God's wrath was on the Indians as it is written in the alleged prophecy?

[Guest]

After the pilgrims the multitudes did come but it was first established for religious reasons.

The puritans wanted to establish their own puritan society

[_tapirrider]

After the pilgrims the multitudes did come but it was first established for religious reasons.

The puritans wanted to establish their own puritan utopia.

Why do you think God's wrath was on the Indians?