LittleNipper wrote:Interpretation of Scripture is not by personal opinion but by the moving of the Holy Spirit. We have the Old Testament in Hebrew. We have the New Testament in Greek. We have th moving of the Holy Spirit knocking at the door of our hearts. It is personal and not for me to interpret for you. I can only tell you what the Holy Spirit has led me to understand and accept.
Which explains the thousands of Bible based sects.
Indeed. It's like the Bible was itself a Babel. A Cambrian explosion of tall tales, propaganda and poetry.
LittleNipper wrote:Interpretation of Scripture is not by personal opinion but by the moving of the Holy Spirit. We have the Old Testament in Hebrew. We have the New Testament in Greek. We have th moving of the Holy Spirit knocking at the door of our hearts. It is personal and not for me to interpret for you. I can only tell you what the Holy Spirit has led me to understand and accept.
Which explains the thousands of Bible based sects.
Does it matter the color of the walls or if there are stainglass windows? It is not about the organization or the ritualism, it's all about the Savior.
Early on the first day of the week, while still dark, Mary from Magdala went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb.
So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said to them, “They’ve removed the Lord from the tomb, and we don’t know where they’ve put him!”
Then Peter and the other disciple headed for the tomb.
They both ran, but the other disciple was faster than Peter and reached the tomb first.
Stooping down, he saw the linen burial-sheets lying there but did not enter.
Then, following, Simon Peter arrived, entered the tomb and saw the burial-sheets lying there,
also the cloth that had been around his head, lying not with the sheets but in a separate spot and folded up.
Then the other disciple, who had arrived at the tomb previously, also went in; he saw, and he trusted.
Thought they had not yet come to understand that scripture teaches that the Messiah has to rise from the dead.
So the disciples returned to their friends,
but Mary stood outside weeping. As she cried, she bent down, peered into the tomb,
and witnessed 2 angels in white sitting where the body of Jesu had been, one at the head and one at the feet.
“Why are you crying?” they asked her. “They took my Lord,” she said to them, “and I don’t know where they have put him.”
As she said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she didn’t realize this.
Jesus said to her, “Madam, why are you crying? Whom are you seeking?” Thinking He was the gardener, she replied to Him, “Sir, if you’re the one who carried Him away, just tell me where you placed Him; and I’ll go and retrieve Him myself.”
Jesus said to her, “Mary!” Turning, she cried out to him in Hebrew, Teacher!”
"Let go of Me,” Jesus said to her, “because I haven’t yet returned to the Father. But go to My brothers, and tell them that I am returning to My Father and your Father, to My God and Your God.”
Mary of Magdala returned to the disciples with the news that she had seen the Lord and that he had told her this.
In the evening of that very day, the first day of the week, when the disciples were gathered together behind locked doors out of dread of the Jews, Jesus came, stood in the center and said, “Peace to you!”
Having greeted them, Jesus revealed to them His hands and His side. The disciple were ecstatic to see the Lord.
“Peace to you!” Yeshua repeated. “Just as the Father sent Me, I Myself Am also sending you.”
Having said this, He breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit!
If you forgive someone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you hold them, they are stuck.”
Now Thomas (meaning “twin”), one of the 12, was not with them when Jesus arrived.
When the other disciples informed him, “We have seen the Lord,” he replied, “Unless I see those nail marks in his hands, put my finger into the place where the nails were and put my hand into His side, I refuse to accept it.”
A week later His disciples were once more in the room, and this time Thomas was present. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came, stood among them and said, “Peace to you!”
Then He said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, look at My hands, take your hand and put it into My side. Don’t be lacking in trust, but have trust!”
Thomas answered Him, “My Lord and My God!”
Jesus said to him, “Have you trusted because you have seen me? How more blessed are those who do not see, but trust regardless!”
In the presence of the Disciples Jesu performed many other miracles which have not been recorded in this book.
But these which have been recorded are here so that you may trust that Jesu is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by this trust you may have life because of who He is.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And on the first of the sabbaths, Mary the Magdalene doth come early (there being yet darkness) to the tomb, and she seeth the stone having been taken away out of the tomb,
2 she runneth, therefore, and cometh unto Simon Peter, and unto the other disciple whom Jesus was loving, and saith to them, `They took away the Lord out of the tomb, and we have not known where they laid him.'
3 Peter, therefore, went forth, and the other disciple, and they were coming to the tomb,
4 and the two were running together, and the other disciple did run forward more quickly than Peter, and came first to the tomb,
5 and having stooped down, seeth the linen clothes lying, yet, indeed, he entered not.
6 Simon Peter, therefore, cometh, following him, and he entered into the tomb, and beholdeth the linen clothes lying,
7 and the napkin that was upon his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but apart, having been folded up, in one place;
8 then, therefore, entered also the other disciple who came first unto the tomb, and he saw, and did believe;
9 for not yet did they know the Writing, that it behoveth him out of the dead to rise again.
10 The disciples therefore went away again unto their own friends,
11 and Mary was standing near the tomb, weeping without; as she was weeping, then, she stooped down to the tomb, and beholdeth two messengers in white, sitting,
12 one at the head, and one at the feet, where the body of Jesus had been laid.
13 And they say to her, `Woman, why dost thou weep?' she saith to them, `Because they took away my Lord, and I have not known where they laid him;'
14 and these things having said, she turned backward, and seeth Jesus standing, and she had not known that it is Jesus.
15 Jesus saith to her, `Woman, why dost thou weep? whom dost thou seek;' she, supposing that he is the gardener, saith to him, `Sir, if thou didst carry him away, tell me where thou didst lay him, and I will take him away;'
16 Jesus saith to her, `Mary!' having turned, she saith to him, `Rabbouni;' that is to say, `Teacher.'
17 Jesus saith to her, `Be not touching me, for I have not yet ascended unto my Father; and be going on to my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father, and to my God, and to your God.'
18 Mary the Magdalene cometh, telling to the disciples that she hath seen the Lord, and [that] these things he said to her.
19 It being, therefore, evening, on that day, the first of the sabbaths, and the doors having been shut where the disciples were assembled, through fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and saith to them, `Peace to you;'
20 and this having said, he shewed them his hands and side; the disciples, therefore, rejoiced, having seen the Lord.
21 Jesus, therefore, said to them again, `Peace to you; according as the Father hath sent me, I also send you;'
22 and this having said, he breathed on [them], and saith to them, `Receive the Holy Spirit;
23 if of any ye may loose the sins, they are loosed to them; if of any ye may retain, they have been retained.'
24 And Thomas, one of the twelve, who is called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came;
25 the other disciples, therefore, said to him, `We have seen the Lord;' and he said to them, `If I may not see in his hands the mark of the nails, and may put my finger to the mark of the nails, and may put my hand to his side, I will not believe.'
26 And after eight days, again were his disciples within, and Thomas with them; Jesus cometh, the doors having been shut, and he stood in the midst, and said, `Peace to you!'
27 then he saith to Thomas, `Bring thy finger hither, and see my hands, and bring thy hand, and put [it] to my side, and become not unbelieving, but believing.'
28 And Thomas answered and said to him, `My Lord and my God;'
29 Jesus saith to him, `Because thou hast seen me, Thomas, thou hast believed; happy those not having seen, and having believed.'
30 Many indeed, therefore, other signs also did Jesus before his disciples, that are not written in this book;
31 and these have been written that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing ye may have life in his name.'
LittleNipper wrote: Does it matter the color of the walls or if there are stainglass windows? It is not about the organization or the ritualism, it's all about the Savior.
I'm sure it is. How many Jehovah Witness buddies do you have?
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
spotlight wrote:Which explains the thousands of Bible based sects.
Does it matter the color of the walls or if there are stainglass windows? It is not about the organization or the ritualism, it's all about the Savior.
That's right, Nipper, there are only trivial differences between these groups. That's why they're fighting and poaching on each other's turf all the time. Oh, that's right, you get to forget/ignore history just like you do science. Never mind.
Maksutov wrote:That's right, Nipper, there are only trivial differences between these groups. That's why they're fighting and poaching on each other's turf all the time. Oh, that's right, you get to forget/ignore history just like you do science. Never mind.
The Christian (Catholic) on Christian (Protestant) violence in Northern Ireland went on for 30 years (1968 to 1998), costing more than 30,000 lives.
How can anyone doubt that the Bible should be interpreted individually according to the promptings of the holy spirit and that Christianity is the gospel of peace and love?
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David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
Maksutov wrote:That's right, Nipper, there are only trivial differences between these groups. That's why they're fighting and poaching on each other's turf all the time. Oh, that's right, you get to forget/ignore history just like you do science. Never mind.
The Christian (Catholic) on Christian (Protestant) violence in Northern Ireland went on for 30 years (1968 to 1998), costing more than 30,000 lives.
How can anyone doubt that the Bible should be interpreted individually according to the the promptings of the holy spirit and that Christianity is the gospel of peace and love?
It is mind boggling, DrW. If you consider the Abrahamic faiths Bible-based, then we can consider the atrocities from Judaism and Islam as well as the Christian. And then there are the statements of Jesus himself: ""Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
And his followers DID bring swords. And his followers murdered those who were accused of killing him, right down to the 20th century. The line between Luther and Hitler in the holocaust is clearly drawn.
Fundamentalist Christians exult in the prospect of the mass murder and endless torture of unbelievers.
Pilate went outside once more and said to the crowd, “Look, I’m bringing Him out to you to get you to understand that I find no case against him.”
So Jesus came out, wearing the thorn-branch crown and the purple robe. Pilate said to them, “View the man!”
When the chief priest and the Temple guards saw Him they shouted, “Execute Him on the stake! Put him to death on the stake!” Pilate said to them, “You take him out yourselves and put him to death on the stake, because I don’t find any case against him.”
The Jews answered Pilate, “We have a law; according to that law, He needs to be put to death, because He made himself out to be the Son of God.”
who leaked that pilate has talked with Jesus there were roman soldiers present - their diary?
'mese mese meskete' in hungarian, tale, tale, fairytale...
Choyo Chagas is Chairman of the Big Four, the ruler of the planet from "The Bull's Hour" ( Russian: Час Быка), a social science fiction novel written by Soviet author and paleontologist Ivan Yefremov in 1968. Six months after its publication Soviet authorities banned the book and attempted to remove it from libraries and bookshops.
DrW wrote:The Christian (Catholic) on Christian (Protestant) violence in Northern Ireland went on for 30 years (1968 to 1998), costing more than 30,000 lives.
How can anyone doubt that the Bible should be interpreted individually according to the the promptings of the holy spirit and that Christianity is the gospel of peace and love?
It is mind boggling, DrW. If you consider the Abrahamic faiths Bible-based, then we can consider the atrocities from Judaism and Islam as well as the Christian. And then there are the statements of Jesus himself: ""Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
And his followers DID bring swords. And his followers murdered those who were accused of killing him, right down to the 20th century. The line between Luther and Hitler in the holocaust is clearly drawn.
Fundamentalist Christians exult in the prospect of the mass murder and endless torture of unbelievers.
People don't go to Hell for believing in Darwinism---They go to hell for rejecting Jesus the Messiah. However, many who accept Darwinism have no room for the Messiah God.
