LittleNipper, What we do know is more than sufficient to lay to rest young earth creationism. Sorry, but those are the facts. Just as what we do know is sufficient to disprove the flat earth or the notion that the sun orbits the earth. Besides think about your argument here. If we should ignore science because it doesn't know everything what does that say about what we should do with the argument of someone who doesn't know anything?
Sorry, you don't include GOD. ALL such considerations without any regard of GOD are without any honest value. The earth goes around the Sun. There is nothing in the Bible that states that the sun goes around the earth. There are few if anyone alive in the world who do not know something. The problem is discovering who has the most to gain from a lie, and frankly, Christians are rarely accused of corning the market on making money.
LittleNipper wrote:Einstein is dead. Just because people are smart and education doesn't mean that they know everything or are not possibly stuck on their own values and research. I believe that the best creationists are those who are highly educated, but their education doesn't end with the material. They also consider the spiritual. You should also realize that no one really needs to attend a University to acquire an education. The Internet is quickly replacing the ivy covered walls of the past. Instructors can come right into someone's home via the internet. Colleges and universities are quickly becoming dinosaurs. Even you must realize this...
Sorry, but Magic and the Supernatural are entirely divergent from each other. Magic is a trick --- all tricks are explainable. The supernatural is the unexplainable.
There was a man named Hananyah/Ananias by name, who along with his wife Shappirah/Sapphira, sold some property,
and with his wife’s knowledge, withheld some of the proceeds for himself; although he did bring the remainder to the apostles.
Then Peter said, “Why has Satan so filled your heart that you lie to the Holy Spirit and withhold some of the money you received for the land?
Before you sold it, the property was yours; and after you sold it, the money was yours to do with as you pleased. So what made you conspire to do such a thing? You have lied not to human beings but to God!”
On hearing these words, Ananias dropped dead; and everyone who heard about it was terrified.
The young men got up, wrapped his body in a shroud, carried him out and buried him.
Some 3 hours later, his wife arrived, unaware of what had happened.
Peter challenged her: “Tell me, is it true that you sold the land for such-and-such a price?” “Yes,” she answered, “that is what we were paid for it.”
But Peter responded, “Then why did you two plot to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The men who buried your husband are at the door. They will carry you out too!”
Instantly she collapsed at his feet and died. The young men entered, found her there dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
As a result of this, great fear came over the whole Messianic community, and indeed over everyone who heard about it.
Meanwhile, through the apostles many signs and miracles continued to be done among the people. United in mind and purpose, the believers met in Solomon’s Colonnade;
and no one else dared to join them. Nevertheless, the people continued to hold them in high esteem;
and throngs of believers were added to the Lord, both men and women.
They went so far as to bring the sick into the streets and lay them on mattresses and stretchers, so that at least Peter's shadow might fall over them as he passed by.
Crowds also gathered from the towns around Jerusalem, bringing the sick and those afflicted with demonic possession; and every one of them was healed.
But the Head priest and his associates, who were members of the party of the Sadducees, were filled with jealousy.
They arrested the apostles and put them in the public jail.
But during the night, an angel of the Lord opened the doors of the prison, led them out and said,
“Go, stand in the Temple court and keep telling the people all about this new life!”
After hearing that, they entered the Temple area about dawn and began to teach.
Now the head priest and his associates came and called a meeting of the Sanhedrin (Israel’s whole assembly of elders) and sent to the jail to have them fetched.
But the officers who went did not find them in the prison. So they returned and reported,
“We found the jail securely locked and the guards standing at the doors; but when we opened it, we found it empty!”
When the captain of the Temple police and the head priest heard these things, they were puzzled and wondered what would occur next.
Then someone came and reported to them, “Guess what? The men you ordered put in prison are standing in the Temple court, teaching the people!”
The captain and his officers went and brought them, but not with force; because they were afraid of being stoned by the people.
They escorted them to the Sanhedrin, where the High priest demanded of them,
“We gave you strict orders not to teach in this name (Jesus)! Look here! you have filled Jerusalem with your teaching. Additionally, you are determined to make us responsible for this man’s death!”
Peter and the other apostles answered, “We must obey God, not men.
The God of our ancestors raised up Jesus, whereas you guys killed him by having him hanged on a stake.
God has exalted this man at his right hand as Ruler and Savior, in order to enable Israel to experience revival and have her sins forgiven.
We are witnesses to these things; so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.”
On hearing this, the members of the Sanhedrin were infuriated and wanted to put the apostles to death.
But one of the members of the Sanhedrin rose to his feet, a Pharisee, by name Gamaliel , a teacher of the Law highly respected by all the people. He ordered the men put outside for a little while
and then addressed the court: “Men of Israel, take care what you do to these people.
Some time ago, there was a rebellion under Law, who claimed to be somebody special; and a number of men, maybe 400, rallied behind him. But upon his being put to death, his whole following dispersed and came to nothing.
After this, Judas the Galilean led another uprising, back at the time of the enrollment for the Roman tax; and he got some people to follow to him. But he was killed, and all his followers were scattered.
So in the present case, my advice to you is not to interfere with these people, but to leave them be. For if this idea or this movement has a human origin, it will go away.
But if it is from God, you will not be able to stop them; you might even find yourselves fighting God!”
They heeded his advice.
After summoning the apostles and flogging them, they commanded them not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go.
The apostles left the Sanhedrin overjoyed at having been considered worthy of suffering disgrace on account of Jesus.
And not for a single day, either in the Temple court or in private homes, did they stop teaching and proclaiming the Good News that Jesus is the Messiah.
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
1 And a certain man, Ananias by name, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,
2 and did keep back of the price -- his wife also knowing -- and having brought a certain part, at the feet of the apostles he laid [it].
3 And Peter said, `Ananias, wherefore did the Adversary fill thy heart, for thee to lie to the Holy Spirit, and to keep back of the price of the place?
4 while it remained, did it not remain thine? and having been sold, in thy authority was it not? why [is] it that thou didst put in thy heart this thing? thou didst not lie to men, but to God;'
5 and Ananias hearing these words, having fallen down, did expire, and great fear came upon all who heard these things,
6 and having risen, the younger men wound him up, and having carried forth, they buried [him].
7 And it came to pass, about three hours after, that his wife, not knowing what hath happened, came in,
8 and Peter answered her, `Tell me if for so much ye sold the place;' and she said, `Yes, for so much.'
9 And Peter said unto her, `How was it agreed by you, to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? lo, the feet of those who did bury thy husband [are] at the door, and they shall carry thee forth;'
10 and she fell down presently at his feet, and expired, and the young men having come in, found her dead, and having carried forth, they buried [her] by her husband;
11 and great fear came upon all the assembly, and upon all who heard these things.
12 And through the hands of the apostles came many signs and wonders among the people, and they were with one accord all in the porch of Solomon;
13 and of the rest no one was daring to join himself to them, but the people were magnifying them,
14 (and the more were believers added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women,)
15 so as into the broad places to bring forth the ailing, and to lay [them] upon couches and mats, that at the coming of Peter, even [his] shadow might overshadow some one of them;
16 and there were coming together also the people of the cities round about to Jerusalem, bearing ailing persons, and those harassed by unclean spirits -- who were all healed.
17 And having risen, the chief priest, and all those with him -- being the sect of the Sadducees -- were filled with zeal,
18 and laid their hands upon the apostles, and did put them in a public prison;
19 and a messenger of the Lord through the night opened the doors of the prison, having also brought them forth, he said,
20 `Go on, and standing, speak in the temple to the people all the sayings of this life;'
21 and having heard, they did enter at the dawn into the temple, and were teaching. And the chief priest having come, and those with him, they called together the sanhedrim and all the senate of the sons of Israel, and they sent to the prison to have them brought,
22 and the officers having come, did not find them in the prison, and having turned back, they told,
23 saying -- `The prison indeed we found shut in all safety, and the keepers standing without before the doors, and having opened -- within we found no one.'
24 And as the priest, and the magistrate of the temple, and the chief priests, heard these words, they were doubting concerning them to what this would come;
25 and coming near, a certain one told them, saying -- `Lo, the men whom ye did put in the prison are in the temple standing and teaching the people;'
26 then the magistrate having gone away with officers, brought them without violence, for they were fearing the people, lest they should be stoned;
27 and having brought them, they set [them] in the sanhedrim, and the chief priest questioned them,
28 saying, `Did not we strictly command you not to teach in this name? and lo, ye have filled Jerusalem with your teaching, and ye intend to bring upon us the blood of this man.'
29 And Peter and the apostles answering, said, `To obey God it behoveth, rather than men;
30 and the God of our fathers did raise up Jesus, whom ye slew, having hanged upon a tree;
31 this one God, a Prince and a Saviour, hath exalted with His right hand, to give reformation to Israel, and forgiveness of sins;
32 and we are His witnesses of these sayings, and the Holy Spirit also, whom God gave to those obeying him.'
33 And they having heard, were cut [to the heart], and were taking counsel to slay them,
34 but a certain one, having risen up in the sanhedrim -- a Pharisee, by name Gamaliel, a teacher of law honoured by all the people -- commanded to put the apostles forth a little,
35 and said unto them, `Men, Israelites, take heed to yourselves about these men, what ye are about to do,
36 for before these days rose up Theudas, saying, that himself was some one, to whom a number of men did join themselves, as it were four hundred, who was slain, and all, as many as were obeying him, were scattered, and came to nought.
37 `After this one rose up, Judas the Galilean, in the days of the enrollment, and drew away much people after him, and that one perished, and all, as many as were obeying him, were scattered;
38 and now I say to you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone, because if this counsel or this work may be of men, it will be overthrown,
39 and if it be of God, ye are not able to overthrow it, lest perhaps also ye be found fighting against God.'
40 And to him they agreed, and having called near the apostles, having beaten [them], they commanded [them] not to speak in the name of Jesus, and let them go;
41 they, indeed, then, departed from the presence of the sanhedrim, rejoicing that for his name they were counted worthy to suffer dishonour,
42 every day also in the temple, and in every house, they were not ceasing teaching and proclaiming good news -- Jesus the Christ.
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Maksutov wrote:Why do you type GOD when the Bible shows it as God? Distorting the Holy Writ, eh? Sola scriptura indeed.
The Bible is in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. The English is a paraphrase. However, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit together are One Total GOD. You seem to care so very little for the Bible and GOD, I don't understand your hypocrisy regarding capitalizations that suit my consideration and should not rattle you in the least.
Maksutov wrote:Why do you type GOD when the Bible shows it as God? Distorting the Holy Writ, eh? Sola scriptura indeed.
The Bible is in Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. The English is a paraphrase. However, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit together are One Total GOD. You seem to care so very little for the Bible and GOD, I don't understand your hypocrisy regarding capitalizations that suit my consideration and should not rattle you in the least.
Well that's a lot of self righteous blather but not an explanation as to why your caps are inconsistent.
So, are you fluent in Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic?
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Sorry, you don't include GOD. ALL such considerations without any regard of GOD are without any honest value.
Doesn't matter. Including your god only gets you a dishonest value. The contradictions that arise disprove the existence of your god.
The earth goes around the Sun. There is nothing in the Bible that states that the sun goes around the earth.
Yes there is. You are in disagreement with the authors who wrote the Bible. Read your book of Jude then the book of Enoch that is endorsed as scripture therein to see the world the way those who wrote the Bible did. The sun stood still so Josuah could win his battle. It doesn't say that the earth stopped spinning on its axis for that to happen.
There are few if anyone alive in the world who do not know something.
Yes I know. I'm still waiting on you here. I thought when you referred to ivy league universities being dinosaurs you might have demonstrated that you know something, that being that dinosaurs are indeed old. But 6,000 years ago is not old for dinosaurs. It is young. A dinosaur alive 6,000 years ago would be a metaphor for something that is cutting edge perhaps. So I'm still unclear what it may be that you know. There really ought to be something.
The problem is discovering who has the most to gain from a lie, and frankly, Christians are rarely accused of cornering the market on making money.
There are other ways to gain from a lie besides money. Christians have plenty to gain - nothing that is real however - but then sometimes a good fantasy is all that interests people.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Sorry, you don't include GOD. ALL such considerations without any regard of GOD are without any honest value.
Doesn't matter. Including your god only gets you a dishonest value. The contradictions that arise disprove the existence of your god.
The earth goes around the Sun. There is nothing in the Bible that states that the sun goes around the earth.
Yes there is. You are in disagreement with the authors who wrote the Bible. Read your book of Jude then the book of Enoch that is endorsed as scripture therein to see the world the way those who wrote the Bible did. The sun stood still so Josuah could win his battle. It doesn't say that the earth stopped spinning on its axis for that to happen.
There are few if anyone alive in the world who do not know something.
Yes I know. I'm still waiting on you here. I thought when you referred to ivy league universities being dinosaurs you might have demonstrated that you know something, that being that dinosaurs are indeed old. But 6,000 years ago is not old for dinosaurs. It is young. A dinosaur alive 6,000 years ago would be a metaphor for something that is cutting edge perhaps. So I'm still unclear what it may be that you know. There really ought to be something.
The problem is discovering who has the most to gain from a lie, and frankly, Christians are rarely accused of cornering the market on making money.
There are other ways to gain from a lie besides money. Christians have plenty to gain - nothing that is real however - but then sometimes a good fantasy is all that interests people.
Excluding GOD only begets corruption.
The biblical book of Jude quotes from the Book of Enoch in verses 14-15, “Enoch, the 7th from Adam, prophesied about these men: ‘See, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone, and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way, and of all the harsh words ungodly sinners have spoken against him.’” But this does not mean the Book of Enoch is inspired by God or should be in the Bible, or is entirely even factual. All that is revealed is that this particular statement is true. It is interesting to note that no scholars believe the Book of Enoch to have truly been written by the Enoch of the Bible. Enoch was seven generations from Adam, prior to the Flood (Genesis 5:1-24). Evidently, though, this statement was genuinely prophesied by Enoch – or the Bible would certainly not attribute it to him, “Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men…” (Jude 14). This saying of Enoch was evidently handed down by tradition, and eventually recorded in this Book of Enoch.
Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings. The same is true with Jude, verses 14-15.
Yes indeed the sun stood still in the sky. There is nothing in the Bible that stipulates how GOD accomplished this feat; however, we know that it did happen. You either believe it happened or you don't. I see no reason for GOD not to be capable of doing exactly what HE chooses to do or how. For you to insist it is not possible is to call GOD a fraud. And I would never want to go down that road with anyone.
LittleNipper wrote: Yes indeed the sun stood still in the sky. There is nothing in the Bible that stipulates how GOD accomplished this feat; however, we know that it did happen.
No, we don't, Nipper. Nobody else on earth witnessed it, so it must have been the imaginations, delusions or LIES that were told by your book. There are plenty of LIES in your book, so we'll just add it to them.
You see, it makes it more powerful when we use CAPS. It's an amazing new technology that Biblethumpers have discovered. They think it MAKES THEM LOOK MORE CREDIBLE BUT IT JUST MAKES THEM LOOK LOUD AND STUPID.
So if you think that GOD is bigger than God, I guess we've reached the limits of your intellectual capacity. Oh, sorry, WE'VE REACHED THE LIMITS OF YOUR INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY IN YOUR CUTTING AND PASTING.
I'm sorry maksutov. I think LittlestNipper may be making up for my use of all lower case when referring to his imaginary friend. He may simply be trying to bring balance back to the universe.
Kolob’s set time is “one thousand years according to the time appointed unto that whereon thou standest” (Abraham 3:4). I take this as a round number. - Gee
Sola scriptura indeed.