Jesus the Creator of everything

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I hope this points you in the correct direction...

You didn't explain how someone who never heard of Jesus in this life gets saved by accepting a savior they haven't heard about.
I'll raise you and call.

[_The CCC]

I don't know what LittleNipper believes about it, but the LDS believe that all will be given the opportunity to hear then to accept or reject the gospel in this life or the next. You can't be saved or condemned in ignorance.

[_spotlight]

I don't know what LittleNipper believes about it, but the LDS believe that all will be given the opportunity to hear then to accept or reject the gospel in this life or the next. You can't be saved or condemned in ignorance.

Maybe he will convert. The gospel net gathereth of all kinds, but mostly LittleNipper types.

[_huckelberry]

You didn't explain how someone who never heard of Jesus in this life gets saved by accepting a savior they haven't heard about.
I'll raise you and call.

My understanding is that God is present in the life of all human beings and faith and rejection of faith occurs in all of our lives. That faith is not primarily belief in certain religious ideas but our relationship to God in our lives.

It is within this context that I believe the religious ideas Nipper referred to. I think Jesus ongoing presence in the world is separating wheat and chaff.

[_spotlight]

My understanding is that God is present in the life of all human beings and faith and rejection of faith occurs in all of our lives. That faith is not primarily belief in certain religious ideas but our relationship to God in our lives.

It is within this context that I believe the religious ideas Nipper referred to. I think Jesus ongoing presence in the world is separating wheat and chaff.

We get our sense of right and wrong from our nature as social beings. You are merely asserting this is due to a god and defining faith as being a fan of the good. Such qualities can also be found and seen in other social animals besides humans.
For LittleNipper the problem is more acute since he believes in the New Testament literally. If we could all be saved without knowing about a savior named Jesus then why send out missionaries into all the world to carry the good news?

[_The CCC]

I don't know what LittleNipper believes about it, but the LDS believe that all will be given the opportunity to hear then to accept or reject the gospel in this life or the next. You can't be saved or condemned in ignorance.

Maybe he will convert. The gospel net gathereth of all kinds, but mostly LittleNipper types.

Maybe he will, maybe he won't. Fortunately that isn't my call to say one way or the other.

[_huckelberry]

My understanding is that God is present in the life of all human beings and faith and rejection of faith occurs in all of our lives. That faith is not primarily belief in certain religious ideas but our relationship to God in our lives.

It is within this context that I believe the religious ideas Nipper referred to. I think Jesus ongoing presence in the world is separating wheat and chaff.

We get our sense of right and wrong from our nature as social beings. You are merely asserting this is due to a god and defining faith as being a fan of the good. Such qualities can also be found and seen in other social animals besides humans.
For LittleNipper the problem is more acute since he believes in the New Testament literally. If we could all be saved without knowing about a savior named Jesus then why send out missionaries into all the world to carry the good news?

"from our nature as social beings"
I would prefer to say we get it within the process of living as social beings. There is a flexibility in what is possible, as human history shows.

We share a lot with other animals including the same God. I do not see our being a part of a community of beings including animals creates any problem for my view.

What is more important to me and I took as implied by Nippers good description, is that in the larger picture what each of us actually are is shared with the rest of the community. As science culture knowledge is something we receive and then participate in so is our moral faith hope and charity. Because we as human,as do other animals, have the potential of brutalizing our possiblities and are deeply entangled with that already Christian hope of salvation is aimed at completely overcoming this not simply getting a merit badge at death for being better than average. That Christian hope is centered upon sharing a dimension of life with Jesus and his sacrifice so that by our living being changed with that sacrifice being ingested we slowly improve the life of all . (leaven the whole loaf)

Yes I have noticed that it is slow and there are backcurrents. On the other hand the whole of human experience is large and it is not complete.

[_spotlight]

"from our nature as social beings"
I would prefer to say we get it within the process of living as social beings. There is a flexibility in what is possible, as human history shows.

We share a lot with other animals including the same God. I do not see our being a part of a community of beings including animals creates any problem for my view.

What is more important to me and I took as implied by Nippers good description, is that in the larger picture what each of us actually are is shared with the rest of the community. As science culture knowledge is something we receive and then participate in so is our moral faith hope and charity. Because we as human,as do other animals, have the potential of brutalizing our possiblities and are deeply entangled with that already Christian hope of salvation is aimed at completely overcoming this not simply getting a merit badge at death for being better than average. That Christian hope is centered upon sharing a dimension of life with Jesus and his sacrifice so that by our living being changed with that sacrifice being ingested we slowly improve the life of all . (leaven the whole loaf)

Yes I have noticed that it is slow and there are backcurrents. On the other hand the whole of human experience is large and it is not complete.

Yeah well I'm sure our progress as a species is due to Odin rather than Jesus.

[Guest]

I hope this points you in the correct direction...

You didn't explain how someone who never heard of Jesus in this life gets saved by accepting a savior they haven't heard about.
I'll raise you and call.

If one seeks GOD he will find Him. God sent Philip to the eunuch and he (the eunuch) was praying for Biblical understanding.

[_spotlight]

If one seeks GOD he will find Him. God sent Philip to the eunuch and he saw was praying for understanding.

There are areas where no one existed with the Christian tradition/story to share it with another. Take America for example pre-Columbus.