Only one female speaker at General Conference this weekend

[_Chap]

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I think there is a possiblity that some are so immeshed in Mormon jargon that they simply do not hear what MsJack is saying.

Perhaps further it could be noted that Mormon ideas about authority in the early church are fundamental to Mormon understanding of Christianity. Without these ideas as foundation very little Mormonism remains.

A big loud "Yes" to the first statement, of which zerinus has shown us a series of examples.

The second statement also strikes me as very perceptive, based on my experience on this board. Given the early history of the CoJCoLDS, it is perhaps not surprising that the issue of authority has become central to its word-view and its self-conception.

One has only to compare the historical attitude of the western churches to baptism, which is that it can, if necessary, be administered by any person, even an unbeliever. Why? Not because it is a casual and unimportant matter, but precisely because it is of vital importance:

https://www.catholic.com/qa/why-can-any ... er-baptism

Full Question
I don't understand why the faithful are allowed to baptize one another. What makes this sacrament different from the others that an ordained priest does not have to administer it?

Answer
The ordinary ministers of baptism (in other words, the people ordinarily expected to perform baptism) are priests and deacons. Because baptism is ordinarily necessary for salvation (John 3:5; CCC 1257), in life-and-death situations in which a priest or deacon is not available, anyone—including Catholics, non-Catholics, non-Christians, and non-theists—may baptize so long as they do so in the correct manner and with the correct intention (to baptize).

"The correct manner" is commonly taken to demand the use of water, and that the baptism should be said explicitly to be done "in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit".

http://www.cuf.org/2004/04/what-must-be ... d-baptism/

[_MsJack]

Rino ~ This "creepy dossier" that you keep on my real life is really, really creepy. You know that, right?

You're ignorant of the field of human resources. While most people who pursue it have a bachelor's degree, seldom do they have a degree in business or a related field, and more than half of the people with advanced degrees in it have something other than an MBA or master's in HRM. An MA isn't as good as a PHR or years of experience in the field, but it is very much a compensable factor in the field of HR, whether government or non-government.

Here's the thing about my degrees though: I love them. I'm not sorry that I got them. There are things that I would do differently about those years of my life, but if I could go back and redo things, I would still get the same "worthless" degrees from the same schools.

And here's another thing you don't get: you think I was a f***-up in 2009? Guess what? I was. Have you even read the Bible? Maybe you should try it sometime. It's all about how God takes f***-ups and transforms them into non-f***-ups. God takes the prostitutes, the liars, the people who persecute the church, the women who live sinful lives, the teen mothers, and the people who just make all around terrible life choices, and he makes stories of their lives that are beautiful and radiant. Where other people show scorn and point and laugh, God calls "beloved."

The fact that you've been taking meticulous notes on my life in search of sin rather than in search of grace tells us all we need to know about your heart before God.

you are basing your future around your boyfriend situation...?

Are you for real? And you're trying to lecture me on adult'ing? Having an "in case this works out" plan is what normal people in serious relationships do.

Do I blame patriarchy for treating women like garbage and teaching men to treat women like garbage all while operating under a bloated sense of entitlement? Yup. 100%.

[_MsJack]

A little reminder for MsJack from a year ago,

Rino ~ My "ex-marital situation" along with my present mental health are none of your business. I'll thank you to seek out other interests to occupy your time.
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an appropriate comment then and now.

I must have said "no" to a second date with him or something.

That's what usually has to happen before guys get this obsessed with me.

[_Chap]

There's a bit of me that wonders whether MsJack should not put Rino on ignore.

It's rather like the problem of what one should do about a 'flasher' - an exhibitionist who shows his private parts in the perverted attempt to frighten or disgust. If this happens in a bus, one might simply decide to ignore the guy completely, which may lead to him finally having to put it away and zip up without the satisfaction of any reaction from his target.

MsJack has however chosen the route of standing up in the bus, pointing to Rino, and saying "Hey everybody, lookee here! There's a guy with the smallest and weirdest d**k you have ever seen, and he's showing it around! Don't miss it!!!". That can also be quite effective, and on balance it may be the right policy in this case.

[_Lemmie]

MsJack has however chosen the route of standing up in the bus, pointing to Rino, and saying "Hey everybody, lookee here! There's a guy with the smallest and weirdest d**k you have ever seen, and he's showing it around! Don't miss it!!!". That can also be quite effective, and on balance it may be the right policy in this case.

Given that rino has effectively and repeatedly stalked her and every aspect of her personal life that has arisen in conversation here, you may be right that on balance her current policy is best, at the moment.

Rino, however, with his long-term and repeated harassment of this one poster, in my opinion is only the smallest measure away from breaking universal Rule #9:

9.Do not make threats or take actions to cause another member to feel harassed or fearful for his or her safety "in real life."

[Guest]

I'm not fearful of my safety; all of the information he brings up here are things I've said about myself in miscellaneous places around the Web, either here or on my blog or on Medium, but they include things that I only mentioned in one place or said in passing, and things that are 9+ years old. He's shown no signs of engaging in "stalking" outside of reading my blog and social media sites. I just think it's creepy that he pays such close attention to what I say about myself and takes notes on it, and only brings up the harshest and most negative things (for example, [EDITED: I have requested that moderators edit Rino's post for violation of Universal Rule #7]).

I hope Doctor Scratch has seen this thread. I always rolled my eyes a bit when he said Mopologists keep "creepy dossiers" on people, but apparently he was right and I was wrong.

It must infuriate them that my current life is going so well.

MsJack has however chosen the route of standing up in the bus, pointing to Rino, and saying "Hey everybody, lookee here! There's a guy with the smallest and weirdest d**k you have ever seen, and he's showing it around! Don't miss it!!!". That can also be quite effective, and on balance it may be the right policy in this case.

I'm this >.< close to just putting him on ignore, and I certainly won't discuss my personal life with him any further. I gave him the benefit of the doubt and answered his "honest question" charitably and with no malice or insult, and in return I got a tirade of personal attacks. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Rino just googles the person with whom he has a beef. He's done the same with me, and it's not really that hard to do a cursory google search, find something that you can use as an insult, and then twist the knife a little.

Since I don't believe in doxxing I won't reveal his in real life identity, but when he was being a dick to me and my choice to be an enlisted man in the Army I went ahead and googled and searched the ever living “F” out of him. I also have connections to people who have excellent access to all sorts of databases; I'll just leave it at that. Anyway, I found a lot of real great stuff, Rino. Real good stuff. You should remember the saying about 'glass houses' and all that.

Anyway. You just have to remember the WOMBATs that post here are mostly harmless guys who like the idea of power, but have no idea how to secure it. So, rather than come to the board and discuss ideological points, philosophy, or something relative to a thread they just get personal and then make it all about themselves and the ad hominem.

I get edgy when people start up with the personal insults. It's a distraction from the topic.

- Doc

Mandatory Caveat: Despite my posting history I still believe in not starting crap, but I don't mind going down that road if someone opens up that can of worms first.

[_spotlight]

If someone has to resort to ad-hom they've conceded that they are incapable of addressing the argument.

[_Lemmie]

I'm not fearful of my safety;

I am truly glad hear that!

It must infuriate [Mopologists] that my current life is going so well.

The best revenge.

[_MsJack]

I'm not fearful of my safety;

I am truly glad hear that!

That said, I am tempted to start applying Universal Rule #7: "Do not reveal personal or 'in real life' information about any poster on this site that he or she has not explicitly revealed here." I don't like doing that when it comes to personal information I freely publish on my blog, but when we're dealing with a borderline stalker whose only use of my personal information has been aggressively hostile, it might be best for keeping threads on-topic and curbing the ad hominem.