The Book of Mormon: Man-Made or God-Given?

[_Lemmie]

And yet it's infinitely more reasonable than to suggest a culture and civilization that covered a continent possessing advanced old world technologies, proto-Christian beliefs, military advances and old world diseases disappeared so completely even their genetic fingerprints are lost to us.

But here you are.

When losing the argument, change the subject.

He's using YOUR argument against YOU, and quite clearly proving how nonsensical your statement was.

Your pattern is pretty obvious, when you have no more logically fallacious arguments to make, the ad hominem attacks take over.

[_zerinus]

And this gem is wonderful:

When the waters of the Flood had receded, the first sign of dry land was an “olive leaf” plucked by a dove:

It's in the Bible so it must be true!
Yep the olive tree survived being buried in salt water for months and was in perfect health as soon as the water receded still covered with leaves and all!
God gave the leaves gills for the flood event apparently.

First, it says nothing about saltwater. Second, how do you know that a tree wouldn’t survive under water? Have you tried it to see if it would or not? Do you know of someone else who has conducted the experiment? Thirdly, with God all things are possible. He can make a tree survive under water if he wants to.

[_I have a question]

First, it says nothing about saltwater. Second, how do you know that a tree wouldn’t survive under water? Have you tried it to see if it would or not? Do you know of someone else who has conducted the experiment? Thirdly, with God all things are possible.

Given that it was you that introduced it, the first order of business would be for you to establish that the global flood of Noah was a real event and not a parable, myth or fable. Otherwise you are simply relying on 'make-believe' to support your opinion that 'magic' is how it all happened....

[_spotlight]

First, it says nothing about saltwater.

Oh good, then you agree that the salt water fish all died in the (non) event.

Second, how do you know that a tree wouldn’t survive under water?

Ah, shifting the burden of proof again. Silly Billy, you are the one claiming your book of myths with talking snakes and donkeys is factual so it is your responsibility to perform the experiments that hopefully might substantiate it. It is curious why AiG and the Creation Institute don't do any such experiments. Oh that's right. Because they would not accept the results if they came in on the wrong side as evidence anyway.

Have you tried it to see if it would or not?

Have you performed the experiments that the Flat Earth Society uses to establish that the earth is flat? No? Then you must accept that the earth is flat! Your logic skills are off the charts Z! Of course, not in the direction that you fantasize them to be.

Thirdly, with God all things are possible.

Well, except for creating a rock so great that he cannot lift it huh? And other inconsistencies that you conveniently ignore.

He can make a tree survive under water if he wants to.

And obviously he wanted to *cough cough* since otherwise your myth would be disproved.

[_Chap]

Thirdly, with God all things are possible. He can make a tree survive under water if he wants to.

Or he could have made most of the human race drop dead without needing to drown them ... but that would have been less fun!

[_Chap]

What kind of person can zerinus possibly be? I've never seen a TBM like him on this board. He is absolutely sure of himself, never gives up, and has no sense at all of when he is just making himself and his church look stupid.

From time-zone considerations, I think he is on my side of the pond. He is also obviously a native English speaker. I am provisionally guessing him as the articulate but rather naïve teenage son of one of the small number of relatively long-term British Mormon families, raised in a world where the church is everything. In his tiny closed milieu everybody knows that the church is true, the Book of Mormon is true, and all anti-Mormons are evil liars who hate the truth. Bear your testimony, fight on every hill, and in the end victory is sure!

There's a certain magnificent craziness to it, isn't there?

[_spotlight]

Or he could have made most of the human race drop dead without needing to drown them ... but that would have been less fun!

The earth being guilty of sin needed to be baptized chap. Where do you think all of those mountains came from? That's right, Nightlion's as well, all left overs from the hey day of the earth, staring out at Venus while fantasizing.

[_Themis]

First, it says nothing about saltwater. Second, how do you know that a tree wouldn’t survive under water? Have you tried it to see if it would or not? Do you know of someone else who has conducted the experiment? Thirdly, with God all things are possible. He can make a tree survive under water if he wants to.

It's statements like these for why I just don't bother to engage with him. You cannot have a discussion with this kind of willful ignorance.

by the way They have plenty of examples of what happens to trees when exposed to salt water or trees under water. Do you really think trees have never been exposed in nature to salt water or fresh water flooding from natural events?

[_Xenophon]

by the way They have plenty of examples of what happens to trees when exposed to salt water or trees under water. Do you really think trees have never been exposed in nature to salt water or fresh water flooding from natural events?

It's okay, Themis. He already said God could do it anyways so your argument is invalid.

[_Tator]

What kind of person can zerinus possibly be? I've never seen a TBM like him on this board. He is absolutely sure of himself, never gives up, and has no sense at all of when he is just making himself and his church look stupid.

I don't know, there was Tobin and then there was..........