The Book of Mormon: Man-Made or God-Given?

[_Tator]

What did you learn?

- Doc

Doc, you need to stop asking such hard questions, I think the mental pretzel has pulled a mental hamstring.

[_Chap]

You ask for evidence.

Yup. And you don't give any. And then you get all upset when I point this out, and go on about 'party loyalty', 'throwing mud', 'attacking the messenger' and 'puppet masters'.

Sorry about that.

But have you thought of trying to find a more effective way of getting your point over? Your current mode is really not working at all well, is it?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

What did you learn?

- Doc

Primarily, some of the stuff that honor posted in regards to Jacob 5. I thought that was quite interesting. It caused me to go and do some further reading in which I learned even more. Often, when I read things that others have to say on this board it pushes me to go out and do further research/reading/thinking. It is THEN that I find myself increasing my awareness/understanding and learning new things.

Regards,
MG

What was the "even more" you learned? You're being a bit vague. I'd take you mentioning Jacob 5 as meaning you learned it is an anachronism, but I have no idea since you're not being clear.

- Doc

[_mentalgymnast]

Hrm.

MG,

What is untrue about the Book of Mormon and how has that moved you to a centrist position?

- Doc

The way this question is written...I'd have to say, nothing. That is, nothing is untrue. To the point of your second question, that would be difficult to answer as I don't see it connecting with the first part of your question in a deterministic way. This seems to be a 'jello-y' kind of request, Doc.

Your original question was in need of clarification...as is this one.

When you say, "untrue ABOUT the Book of Mormon", what is it that you are actually asking? Whether Lamanites/Nephites actually existed...that kind of thing? It might be helpful if you could give me a list of those things that you consider to be "untrue ABOUT the Book of Mormon" and I can go through the list and agree or disagree?

As it is, the way you've put your question together, again, I'd have to say...nothing is untrue. OTOH, there are lots of things contained IN...rather than ABOUT... the Book of Mormon which I take on faith and believe to be true. Teachings concerning the Son of God and His Gospel, for example. Wickedness never was happiness is another important 'truth'. Alma 32 and the development/importance of faith. And so on.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

You ask for evidence.

Yup. And you don't give any. And then you get all upset when I point this out...

I'm not "upset". I simply recognize that we reach an impasse.

Regards,
MG

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

The way this question is written...I'd have to say, nothing. That is, nothing is untrue. To the point of your second question, that would be difficult to answer as I don't see it connecting with the first part of your question in a deterministic way. This seems to be a 'jello-y' kind of request, Doc.

Your original question was in need of clarification...as is this one.

When you say, "untrue ABOUT the Book of Mormon", what is it that you are actually asking? Whether Lamanites/Nephites actually existed...that kind of thing? It might be helpful if you could give me a list of those things that you consider to be "untrue ABOUT the Book of Mormon" and I can go through the list and agree or disagree?

As it is, the way you've put your question together, again, I'd have to say...nothing is untrue. On the other hand, there are lots of things contained IN...rather than ABOUT... the Book of Mormon which I take on faith and believe to be true. Teachings concerning the Son of God and His Gospel, for example. Wickedness never was happiness is another important 'truth'. Alma 32 and the development/importance of faith. And so on.

Regards,
MG

Given this response, what exactly makes you, a tithe-paying, temple-endowed faithful member of the Mormon church a "centrist"?

- Doc

[_mentalgymnast]

What did you learn?

- Doc

Doc, you need to stop asking such hard questions, I think the mental pretzel has pulled a mental hamstring.

When a thread reaches this point with these kinds of comments and 'high fives' I think there may not be a whole lot of 'productive potential' left in continued conversation.

Regards,
MG

[_mentalgymnast]

But have you thought of trying to find a more effective way of getting your point over? Your current mode is really not working at all well, is it?

All I can do is do the best I can in trying to discuss and share ideas...and bounce things off the wall, etc.

And, truth be told, that's the best and/or all that you can do also.

I could say that I'm not overly impressed with your modus operandi and that it really doesn't work with and/or impress me at all.

But I won't.

Chap, I think this thread my have run its course. Do you have anything else of substance to add in regards to any of the topics we've explored under this OP?

Regards,
MG

[_Lemmie]

You ask for evidence.

Yup. And you don't give any. And then you get all upset when I point this out, and go on about 'party loyalty', 'throwing mud', 'attacking the messenger' and 'puppet masters'.

Sorry about that.

But have you thought of trying to find a more effective way of getting your point over? Your current mode is really not working at all well, is it?

I could say that I'm not overly impressed with your modus operandi and that it really doesn't work with and/or impress me at all.

But I won't.

And now we have mentalgymnast's obnoxious passive-aggressive with a winkie face technique. Combined with his parroting and projection phase, I predict the next to come will be his "I suddenly have stuff to do, your echo chamber is beneath me, I'll be back only if I think something "important" has been said." Also known as: contrarian troll out.

[_mentalgymnast]

And now we have mentalgymnast's obnoxious passive-aggressive with a winkie face technique. Combined with his parroting and projection phase, I predict the next to come will be his "I suddenly have stuff to do, your echo chamber is beneath me, I'll be back only if I think something "important" has been said." Also known as: contrarian troll out.

Another comment from Lemmie lacking in any content. It's again come to this. Par for the course.

Lemmie, do you have anything of substance to contribute and/or add to the OP discussion and the associated topics that came up? It's been an interesting thread.

The ball is in your court.

If you don't have anything to do besides throw mud, however, maybe there's something else you might do to occupy your time?

Regards,
MG