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Sigh. You take care, SPG.
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Res Ipsa wrote:I can understand an approach to thinking about life, the universe and everything that starts from: Everything I can imagine is possible and I'm justified in believing in any of it unless someone can disprove it. To me, that's the opposite of skepticism. I start from: I don't believe in anything unless given evidence -- some good reason -- to believe in it. I believe my coffee table is real because it hurts every time I bang my shins on it. When I put something on it, the something never falls to the floor through the table. And I build up from there. Give me some good reason to believe my subconscious brain activity is part of some entity hiding itself from me, and I think it would be worth considering. But I just don't see any.


This a good description of what real skepticism is about. It's fun to think about different interesting possibilities, but it's unwise to put much into them until after we have sufficient evidence.
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Res Ipsa wrote:Sigh. You take care, SPG.

You will pray for me?
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SPG wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:Sigh. You take care, SPG.

You will pray for me?


No. I simply wish you well.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
No. I simply wish you well.


Sorry I took offense at your tone. :)
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SPG wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:
No. I simply wish you well.


Sorry I took offense at your tone. :)


No apology necessary. I typed "sigh" because I actually sighed after reading your post. In hindsight, I suspect that communicated to you something different than what I was actually feeling. I should have left it out.
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Res Ipsa wrote:No apology necessary. I typed "sigh" because I actually sighed after reading your post. In hindsight, I suspect that communicated to you something different than what I was actually feeling. I should have left it out.


Yes, I suppose I do tend to draws sighs. I am a quite striking. No offense taken.

Sometimes I wonder, is there even is a thing called "death?" When an actor/actress takes off the makeup and masks, did the character die? Was it ever alive? Does the force/motivation that we call life, did it cease to be, or simply withdraw from the stage.

I'm listening to a book about the subconscious written by Carl Jung. Very fascinating how "humanity" develops certain characteristics. He implied that Christianity has already done what it was intended to do, that "Christ has already come" in the context of that changes humanity has under gone. But also hints to the scripture, "that the Lord will cut his work short least there be no faith left."

His description of "libido" is very similar to my ideals of God. A desire, without particular morals, but with understanding of life and survival. One of the primary aspects of the "libido" is survival, the desire to live, even when we know that we must die. So sex and satisfying appetites seem to be all it does.

But, can a drive such as the libido, which understands life, not somehow have a plan for long term survival? Even if we are encoded into the DNA, preserved as a form of technical image, isn't that a form of eternal life? And if this "libido" can read DNA and form a life, couldn't it even read and restore a life that might be been been a 1000 years past?

One of the cool things of "libido", of God, and I am returning to an appreciation of this, is the "mystery" of God. Humans has survived all this time, from perhaps millions of years ago, to now, working with a sense of mystery.

I have preached in my posts for years, that the spirit of ownership kills the spirit of love. And in some cases, the concept of "knowing" is ownership. When you 'know something' you tend to stop questioning, stop respecting, stop seeking. I realize, when I walk in the woods, I want to wonder what the trees are thinking. What have they seen? I don't want to think of their market value, or their scientific names.

Life isn't just science, its spirit. In fact, it was spirit first.
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What did you mean by "I am a quite striking?"
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Res Ipsa wrote:What did you mean by "I am a quite striking?"

strik·ing
ˈstrīkiNG
adjective
1.
attracting attention by reason of being unusual, extreme, or prominent.

synonyms: noticeable, obvious, conspicuous, impactful, evident, marked, notable, unmistakable, strong;
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SPG wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:What did you mean by "I am a quite striking?"

strik·ing
ˈstrīkiNG
adjective
1.
attracting attention by reason of being unusual, extreme, or prominent.

synonyms: noticeable, obvious, conspicuous, impactful, evident, marked, notable, unmistakable, strong;


It's always interesting to me how perceptions differ. I don't think my sigh was the result of finding anything you posted "striking." I think it was just the opposite. :wink:
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