Science proves life after death

[_SPG]

I would rather doubt that anyone would die for a belief in unicorns. And yet clearly people have died for their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. And it could be argued that unicorns will not empower anyone to excell in anything because they do not exist --- let alone have power to save anyone. Yet, people have been empowered to give up drink, drugs and sexual abuse and to by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Christ is the most spirit. But I still believe in unicorns.

[_Themis]

My point, I don't have to back up my beliefs to have them be effective. They can be effective, regardless of the reality or science behind them. Belief in God saves thousands of alcoholics, regardless of whether God is real or not.

Ya that's the point. You make up beliefs you don't have any idea are really true. Beliefs can make people do both bad and good things, and the more accurate ones beliefs are the better off they and everyone else will be.

[_Maksutov]

I would rather doubt that anyone would die for a belief in unicorns. And yet clearly people have died for their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. And it could be argued that unicorns will not empower anyone to excell in anything because they do not exist --- let alone have power to save anyone. Yet, people have been empowered to give up drink, drugs and sexual abuse and to by the power of the Holy Spirit.

They're willing to die for Allah, too, and Allah doesn't like the things you mentioned. Plus there are more Muslims than Christians and they're reproducing faster. So Jesus basically died for nothing. His followers keep fighting and he hasn't returned, so he was a liar on top of being a failed messiah.

The "Holy Spirit" can be invoked for all kinds of cults. I'm sure Jim Jones thought he was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he planned a mass suicide.

[_LittleNipper]

I would rather doubt that anyone would die for a belief in unicorns. And yet clearly people have died for their trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. And it could be argued that unicorns will not empower anyone to excell in anything because they do not exist --- let alone have power to save anyone. Yet, people have been empowered to give up drink, drugs and sexual abuse and to by the power of the Holy Spirit.

They're willing to die for Allah, too, and Allah doesn't like the things you mentioned. Plus there are more Muslims than Christians and they're reproducing faster. So Jesus basically died for nothing. His followers keep fighting and he hasn't returned, so he was a liar on top of being a failed messiah.

The "Holy Spirit" can be invoked for all kinds of cults. I'm sure Jim Jones thought he was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he planned a mass suicide.

Some are willing to MURDER for Allah. That's a big difference. God's Word clearly says that BROAD is the way that leads to destruction. This means that there are more people believing in lies than there are believing the truth. The nation of Israel needed to be reestablished BEFORE Christ's return. Suicide is spitting in the face of GOD and essentially saying, ""I will end my own life when I see fit! I'm in control and not GOD."

It is one thing to kill in the heat of battle during a war --- it's another to indiscriminately murder, even in the name of GOD. One again is saying that he or she knows the mind of GOD when GOD is quite capable of dealing with such matters HIMSELF! There is nowhere in the Bible where GOD says to kill heretics or infidels. God does tell the Israel that they were to kill everyone who had not left the land Israel was to possess. And even in that state of WAR, exceptions were made, where GOD intervened.

[_Maksutov]

They're willing to die for Allah, too, and Allah doesn't like the things you mentioned. Plus there are more Muslims than Christians and they're reproducing faster. So Jesus basically died for nothing. His followers keep fighting and he hasn't returned, so he was a liar on top of being a failed messiah.

The "Holy Spirit" can be invoked for all kinds of cults. I'm sure Jim Jones thought he was inspired by the Holy Spirit when he planned a mass suicide.

Some are willing to MURDER for Allah. That's a big difference. God's Word clearly says that BROAD is the way that leads to destruction. This means that there are more people believing in lies than there are believing the truth. The nation of Israel needed to be reestablished BEFORE Christ's return. Suicide is spitting in the face of GOD and essentially saying, ""I will end my own life when I see fit! I'm in control and not GOD."

It is one thing to kill in the heat of battle during a war --- it's another to indiscriminately murder, even in the name of GOD. One again is saying that he or she knows the mind of GOD when GOD is quite capable of dealing with such matters HIMSELF! There is nowhere in the Bible where GOD says to kill heretics or infidels. God does tell the Israel that they were to kill everyone who had not left the land Israel was to possess. And even in that state of WAR, exceptions were made, where GOD intervened.

Yeah, nobody ever killed for Jesus. Tell that to the victims of the Inquisition, which lasted centuries, to the Incas and Aztecs and Mayas, etc. But while you can produce lots of capitalizations and handwaving, you can't hide the bloody history of the Christians along with that of others. And your narrative about Israel is so full of holes and devoid of historical context that it is just a bad joke, another one of your Jack Chick stories for fundy children.

Here's a quick Google of Google News, of wayward pastors. Christians are people like everybody else, smart, stupid, good, bad. No magic powers to undo death or reverse physics. Most of them grasp this. But of course there are the chosen few who fetishize the Bible out of ignorance and insecurity and claim to speak for the rest.

https://news.google.com/news/section?cf ... 4be&ict=ln

[_LittleNipper]

Some are willing to MURDER for Allah. That's a big difference. God's Word clearly says that BROAD is the way that leads to destruction. This means that there are more people believing in lies than there are believing the truth. The nation of Israel needed to be reestablished BEFORE Christ's return. Suicide is spitting in the face of GOD and essentially saying, ""I will end my own life when I see fit! I'm in control and not GOD."

It is one thing to kill in the heat of battle during a war --- it's another to indiscriminately murder, even in the name of GOD. One again is saying that he or she knows the mind of GOD when GOD is quite capable of dealing with such matters HIMSELF! There is nowhere in the Bible where GOD says to kill heretics or infidels. God does tell the Israel that they were to kill everyone who had not left the land Israel was to possess. And even in that state of WAR, exceptions were made, where GOD intervened.

Yeah, nobody ever killed for Jesus. Tell that to the victims of the Inquisition, which lasted centuries, to the Incas and Aztecs and Mayas, etc. But while you can produce lots of capitalizations and handwaving, you can't hide the bloody history of the Christians along with that of others. And your narrative about Israel is so full of holes and devoid of historical context that it is just a bad joke, another one of your Jack Chick stories for fundy children.

Here's a quick Google of Google News, of wayward pastors. Christians are people like everybody else, smart, stupid, good, bad. No magic powers to undo death or reverse physics. Most of them grasp this. But of course there are the chosen few who fetishize the Bible out of ignorance and insecurity and claim to speak for the rest.

https://news.google.com/news/section?cf ... 4be&ict=ln

Sorry, but the Spanish Inquisition was entirely about upholding the power of the POPE (Father). Just as Adolf was the FATHER of the "Fatherland." It had nothing to do with GOD and everything to do with selfish control and power. The Roman Catholic Church didn't want competition nor anyone even reading the Bible without an authoritative (Papacy) explanation. Never mind the Holy Spirit!

[_Maksutov]

Sorry, but the Spanish Inquisition was entirely about upholding the power of the POPE (Father). Just as Adolf was the FATHER of the "Fatherland." It had nothing to do with GOD and everything to do with selfish control and power. The Roman Catholic Church didn't want competition nor anyone even reading the Bible without an authoritative (Papacy) explanation. Never mind the Holy Spirit!

Do you know what this is, Nipper?

There's another German phrase you should be familiar with: Kinder, Küche, Kirche.

[_SPG]

Ya that's the point. You make up beliefs you don't have any idea are really true. Beliefs can make people do both bad and good things, and the more accurate ones beliefs are the better off they and everyone else will be.

Faith is like the placebo effect.

If I believe that taking a pill makes me a feel better, and it makes me feel better, then that belief is true.
Even if the pill is a sugar pill, it still have powerful effects. It can even create harsh side effects.

If the brain "obeys" or accepts as true a certain thought, then the power of faith occurs.

If I believe a thought, and nothing happens, then obviously that belief is ineffective.

But if I believe in Jesus, and I feel better at night, why do I have to back that up with science?

[_Themis]

Ya that's the point. You make up beliefs you don't have any idea are really true. Beliefs can make people do both bad and good things, and the more accurate ones beliefs are the better off they and everyone else will be.

Faith is like the placebo effect.

If I believe that taking a pill makes me a feel better, and it makes me feel better, then that belief is true.
Even if the pill is a sugar pill, it still have powerful effects. It can even create harsh side effects.

If the brain "obeys" or accepts as true a certain thought, then the power of faith occurs.

If I believe a thought, and nothing happens, then obviously that belief is ineffective.

But if I believe in Jesus, and I feel better at night, why do I have to back that up with science?

Placebo effects are limited, and they are both good and bad. Having a strong faith in God and that you are evil and need to be killed is also quite powerful, but you probably wouldn't agree with them that it is good.

[Guest]

Placebo effects are limited, and they are both good and bad. Having a strong faith in God and that you are evil and need to be killed is also quite powerful, but you probably wouldn't agree with them that it is good.

I agree. Placebo effect in a pill for a moment can be powerful. But over a lifetime, or even over a thousand years is earth changing.

And as for good or bad, I agree. That is the challenge of life. Believing something gives us power, but if that is power unto destruction than of course, that is a bad.

But how many times has the world been changed because someone felt a "call?" We have power, but it takes faith that we applying it in the right direction.