Science proves life after death

[_Themis]

Without the want, nothing is created.

People have the want without religion. It's not a necessary element, and it causers many to pray hoping God will do something and sit an wait. People express their wants without religion all the time.

Again, you assume that all people praying expect the limb to simply reappear.

I didn't say all people. The reason I use the amputee example is that it shows a group of people never having been given their real limbs back, even though people claim God can heal. The only areas people like to claim God healed them is in areas we know people can get better on their own. Amputees cannot. This is why you would likely find a lot of religious amputees who don't pray too seriously for God to heal them, while many religious people will seriously pray and ask God to heal their cancer believing God can or might do that.

I don't mean to ignore your question, but I am pretty dumb. Part of the problem here is that I believe in different realms, or dimensions. In 3D, I don't believe in supernatural. Supernatural is more of a "other worldly" thing. Like, what makes us think that we can go to the moon? Or to another planet? I mean, if you were looking at our ancestors 4 million years ago, would you say, "One day, these guys are going to travel the stars!" Probably not.

What happened between then and now? The impossible happened in the realm of thought and emotions. They did the impossible in their minds and hearts first. How many thousands of years ago did the first ancestor want to go to the moon? But that first desire, left a trail. Even if he/she did nothing but stare up at the moon and want, it changed us. The impossible must be done in realms where it is possible and manifested as it can. There is a power within us that we communicate with when we pray.

The problem I see is you coming up with much of what you want to believe on little or no good evidence. There are plenty of possibilities and ideas people come up with, but we will waste most of our lives chasing ones that have little chance of being right. You will get better results with some good skepticism.

You obviously haven't done much research on our ancestors. Most of our God's started out as agricultural powers. Even Isis, a popular goddess even today was the Goddess of Nile. Even if it seems stupid to us today, the desire to please that gods is what held it together.

I have obviously done a lot more study then you. An agricultural God is something that comes after they start doing agriculture. Agriculture is an important part of creating a civilization. It has nothing to do with beliefs in supernatural Gods. They just happen to be a part of every group of humans in the past. They didn't understand much about the world so we should expect they would come up with very incorrect beliefs about the world around them. You don't have their excuse.

Very few people I've known with cancer have survived it. It's a nasty disease. The one or two that I know that have survived did more than what the doctors said. They didn't ignore the doctors, just didn't totally rely on them.

I've known many who have survived. Cancer treatments have become much better with many cancers having a survival rate over 50%. I have seen people who try to use really good eating and natural herbs or faith healing only and have not had good results.

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I have obviously done a lot more study then you. An agricultural God is something that comes after they start doing agriculture. Agriculture is an important part of creating a civilization. It has nothing to do with beliefs in supernatural Gods. They just happen to be a part of every group of humans in the past. They didn't understand much about the world so we should expect they would come up with very incorrect beliefs about the world around them. You don't have their excuse.

If I ignore a question, it's probably because I don't have all day to answer these posts with as much detail that I would like.

I have my own ideas about who God is, and oddly, it doesn't resemble what religion teach. However, just like I wouldn't mock or taunt a first grader trying to learn basic math, I don't mock religion.

To me, God is inside me, in the magic of consciousness, science, biology, etc. I believe the subconscious is a vast realm of conscious that we have not even begun to understand, (and I have my reasons for that.)

My search for God, in a sense, is a quest to understand myself. Why do I do what I do, how deep are the motives? Am I a leave on a tree, or dust in the wind, etc. Ultimately, when I find God, it will be a part of myself that connects to me that reset of the universe via consciousness and purpose.

All humans have sought God, it started as an external search, something in the sky, clouds, temples, etc. As we get closer, we realize that power of the universe is within. But. . . religion told us that a long time ago. "The Kingdom is within."

There are many aspect of God, (told by those that sought him) that imply that God isn't only "living truth" because an conscious being that lives the subconscious of humans, and/or other life forms. These questions are constantly debated, about how "real" God is. But, the part that God is Living Truth, should not be debated. That there is life, means that a truth created it.

[_SPG]

People have the want without religion. It's not a necessary element, and it causers many to pray hoping God will do something and sit an wait. People express their wants without religion all the time.

Want is a fundamental part of existence. Like gravity is a type of want. Trees bend to the sun for want of light.

But religion is a system of managing want. Like, long before humans every wanted sex, other created wanted it. They wanted sex, because sex was a manifestation of another want, such as survival. You don't have to have religion to want.

But look at how nature deals with many different animals and their want. Bulls will fight to the death, spiders will mate and then the female will rip off her mate's head and lay eggs in his body. These are pretty instinctual manifestations of want.

Take humans again, even in the early days when religion tried to control behavior, strong males would take females. The strong bull (man) took the herd, often killed his competitors. Then, maybe a group of lesser males would gain up on the larger ones and kill them.

So we created the idea of marriage. A woman was to belong to a male and other males were not to touch her. Of course, even today its hard to maintain these unnatural rules, but it is what allowed civilization to thrive. Jealous males didn't have to kill all the other males because he had some faith (foolish man) that his mate was safe and true.

As religion gave structure for our wants to be fairly safe, other wants surfaced. Show the female wanted the male to true to her, (silly females) and so religion helped manifest that desire. Males were required, (even though it totally goes against his nature) to be loyal to his mate. Then desires for safety from other dangers developed in making homes. But rules had to be made so the mates didn't kill each other, so religion ruled in favor of the male. I don't have all the history straight, nor understand all the dynamic, but basically religion developed a structure for humans to get what they wanted. As one want was met, others will grow on top of it.

It's so bad, that our current society goes almost entirely against the forces that created us. No we protect children that are born weak and should have died. We protect children that nature would have killed a long time ago, because we want to. A woman can take her children and leave an abusive man, which is totally against what nature set up. Back when we were living under trees a woman would never get away with that. Religion built the structure that got us here.

People today can claim they don't have religion, but how much do they use the tools that religion created? I understand that some species mate for life on their own, but humans are more herd like. They were not naturally like that. Not to say we didn't want it, but it wasn't part of our nature.

Summary: Religion was a system of managing want. If you wanted to sex, you had to commit to take care of your mate. If you had children, you (the father) were required to take care of them. If you had a wife, you were expected to provide a home and protect it, etc. The system got more complex, so did the desires.

[_Themis]

I have obviously done a lot more study then you. An agricultural God is something that comes after they start doing agriculture. Agriculture is an important part of creating a civilization. It has nothing to do with beliefs in supernatural Gods. They just happen to be a part of every group of humans in the past. They didn't understand much about the world so we should expect they would come up with very incorrect beliefs about the world around them. You don't have their excuse.

If I ignore a question, it's probably because I don't have all day to answer these posts with as much detail that I would like.

I have my own ideas about who God is, and oddly, it doesn't resemble what religion teach. However, just like I wouldn't mock or taunt a first grader trying to learn basic math, I don't mock religion.

To me, God is inside me, in the magic of consciousness, science, biology, etc. I believe the subconscious is a vast realm of conscious that we have not even begun to understand, (and I have my reasons for that.)

My search for God, in a sense, is a quest to understand myself. Why do I do what I do, how deep are the motives? Am I a leave on a tree, or dust in the wind, etc. Ultimately, when I find God, it will be a part of myself that connects to me that reset of the universe via consciousness and purpose.

All humans have sought God, it started as an external search, something in the sky, clouds, temples, etc. As we get closer, we realize that power of the universe is within. But. . . religion told us that a long time ago. "The Kingdom is within."

There are many aspect of God, (told by those that sought him) that imply that God isn't only "living truth" because an conscious being that lives the subconscious of humans, and/or other life forms. These questions are constantly debated, about how "real" God is. But, the part that God is Living Truth, should not be debated. That there is life, means that a truth created it.

Your preaching again stuff you have no idea is true, and it's not even on the topic of the post you quoted.

[_Themis]

People have the want without religion. It's not a necessary element, and it causers many to pray hoping God will do something and sit an wait. People express their wants without religion all the time.

Want is a fundamental part of existence. Like gravity is a type of want. Trees bend to the sun for want of light.

A type of want? Seriously? This is why no one can have a real conversation with you. Gravity being a type of want just redefining words for no reason other then maybe to muddle conversation.

So we created the idea of marriage.

The concept may have existed long before homo sapiens existed. The concept is also varied in it's definitions. Many societies have different rules about who you can marry, and how many. I agree that much of it may be to help create more stable environments for the group to better survive and thrive.

People today can claim they don't have religion, but how much do they use the tools that religion created?

You mean tools you have never shown came from religion, or that you define everything as religion? The whole point of a language is so that people have an agreed on rules and definitions so they can communicate.

[_SPG]

Your preaching again stuff you have no idea is true, and it's not even on the topic of the post you quoted.

Yeah, I was just sharing. Sorry about that. What were we talking about?

[_SPG]

A type of want? Seriously? This is why no one can have a real conversation with you. Gravity being a type of want just redefining words for no reason other then maybe to muddle conversation.

want verb (used with object)
1. to feel a need or a desire for; wish for:
to want one's dinner; always wanting something new.
2. to wish, need, crave, demand, or desire (often followed by an infinitive):
I want to see you. She wants to be notified.
3. to be without or be deficient in:
to want judgment; to want knowledge.
4. to fall short by (a specified amount):
The sum collected wants but a few dollars of the desired amount.
5. to require or need:
The house wants painting.

Gravity draws things. In electrical theory, protons want electrons. In chemistry, atoms want their co-valence filled with a specific number of electronic. This term is so interchangeable that people will compare their sexuality to chemistry. Want is more commonly associated with humans. Attraction is al a form of want. When people are attracted to each, they have a want for each, for whatever reasons. The "want/attraction" can be of almost any flavor.

Galaxies are massive engines where life grows. Their gravitational influence is one of the fundamental building blocks of life as we know it. It might seem random and chaotic to you, but to me it is poetry in motion. To me, the natural attraction between objects is a manifestation of God's love.

A black hole wants things, calls to them, seducing them into its eternal embrace. That you don't want to see the bigger part of the universe as a living being. . . . doesn't mean I'm using my terms wrong.

[_Maksutov]

want verb (used with object)
1. to feel a need or a desire for; wish for:
to want one's dinner; always wanting something new.
2. to wish, need, crave, demand, or desire (often followed by an infinitive):
I want to see you. She wants to be notified.
3. to be without or be deficient in:
to want judgment; to want knowledge.
4. to fall short by (a specified amount):
The sum collected wants but a few dollars of the desired amount.
5. to require or need:
The house wants painting.

Gravity draws things. In electrical theory, protons want electrons. In chemistry, atoms want their co-valence filled with a specific number of electronic. This term is so interchangeable that people will compare their sexuality to chemistry. Want is more commonly associated with humans. Attraction is al a form of want. When people are attracted to each, they have a want for each, for whatever reasons. The "want/attraction" can be of almost any flavor.

Galaxies are massive engines where life grows. Their gravitational influence is one of the fundamental building blocks of life as we know it. It might seem random and chaotic to you, but to me it is poetry in motion. To me, the natural attraction between objects is a manifestation of God's love.

A black hole wants things, calls to them, seducing them into its eternal embrace. That you don't want to see the bigger part of the universe as a living being. . . . doesn't mean I'm using my terms wrong.

Fine for metaphor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

I prefer less poetry and more truth on the matter.

[_SPG]

Fine for metaphor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

I prefer less poetry and more truth on the matter.

Lol. Wow. That sounds bad.

I think that you guys are too scientific. There many aspects of life that are difficult to track scientifically. Extremists might claim there is no such thing as love because it cannot be qualified. Yet, for something that is non existent it seems to make the world go round.

For example you might say that human emotions don't translate to physics. But if I want a rock and pick it up, desire just caused physics. We are, in an absolute sense, star dusk expressing desire and making things happen as we want. We are essentially an asteroid transformed into humans. Who did that? Why?

Because our lives are so short, we cannot see that perhaps some older living process is ar work.


Truth happens. We are here. That you believe that humans understand all of the truth is confusing to me.

Personally, I observe that some hidden intelligence is working with humans and has for a very long time.

[_Maksutov]

Fine for metaphor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathetic_fallacy

I prefer less poetry and more truth on the matter.

Lol. Wow. That sounds bad.

I think that you guys are too scientific. There many aspects of life that are difficult to track scientifically. Extremists might claim there is no such thing as love because it cannot be qualified. Yet, for something that is non existent it seems to make the world go round.

For example you might say that human emotions don't translate to physics. But if I want a rock and pick it up, desire just caused physics. We are, in an absolute sense, star dusk expressing desire and making things happen as we want. We are essentially an asteroid transformed into humans. Who did that? Why?

Because our lives are so short, we cannot see that perhaps some older living process is ar work.


Truth happens. We are here. That you believe that humans understand all of the truth is confusing to me.

Personally, I observe that some hidden intelligence is working with humans and has for a very long time.

Hey, if you live life poetically, artistically, that can be a pretty good life. But someone else is taking care of the pesky materialist details for you so that you have the life style you do.

What does "too scientific" look like again? Who's complaining?

Hidden intelligence? Hidden indeed. But an interesting proposition. Tell us more.