Little girl has her mic turned off during F&T meeting

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And then looking at her reddit account's history, you can see where she created sock puppet reddit accounts that she used to drum up publicity about all this.

this is puzzling. Based on Water Dog's evidence, there is ONE deleted account, used in the ONE thread he showed, which has 16 comments. (WOW--that is viral!! :rolleyes: )

And when I went to the one thread, above the author line where it says deleted, she has posted the podcast website! If that is her anonymously drumming up publicity, she really doesn't know how to do it.

In the other image, Water Dog defines as Heather "outing herself," as per the highlighted comment half way down. However, he failed to look at the very first (sort by best) comment on that thread:
Hey all, I just want to clear a few things up here. This was my daughter. My husband is TBM, and takes my four youngest children to church, I stay home with our oldest. She has been struggling with her faith, as you could imagine. Her mom left, and the church has crappy policies against gays. She deserves her own faith journey, and she isn't leaning on anyone's testimony in or out of the church. This obviously just solidified her feelings in one direction. My husband and I went through MUCH deliberating on wether or not to let her do this. She wanted to be herself in front of them, see if church would be a place to accept her, and to speak up in case there was another LGBT person in the congregation that needed to hear they weren't alone. This was her idea, much to the contrary of my neighbors beliefs. I could have said no, don't say this, don't do this, but that would be telling my child to hide, telling her she's not good enough to have a space to speak. Or I could let her be her, and speak her truth. I went over the possible natural consequences of this, and she was willing to accept them. She wrote her words very carefully, even had her TBM dad read them to see if they were respectful enough for the pulpit. He agreed they were. She was asked to step down, and she bawled coming off, and I took her out. She cried in my arms in the foyer, I affirmed to her that she is perfect and beautiful, and too big for them to see it. She got a circle of hugs from our friends, and we say in the grass outside and let her say all of her words. I'm very aware of the way the church feels towards LGBT people, however I truly thought they would have let her say her words. If it had been our bishop (who was out of town) and not a member of the stake, I think this would have been very different. Instead this stake member chose to hurt my child, I don't know his reasons, I haven't spoken to him. I didn't ask for this to explode like this, and I'm being accused of having any agenda from the get go. Hell my agenda was to support my child in owning her voice. Not to hurt anyone.
Don't know why wD would call a later comment "outing herself" when this post is there. It gives a lot of first person information about the mother's perspective. WD is under no obligation to believe it, but I feel there has to be a significant reason to not take her word at face value. I'm not seeing a reason.

My take on this is that Water Dog has an opinion--I have no problem with that!-- which he is very inadequately trying to justify with things like the bizarre interpretations he has attached to the reddit information and the fox article.

He would have more credibility if he just said his opinion was his gut reaction, and he has no objective proof. (And retracted his homophobic slurs.)

(ETA-don't mean to talk third person, WD, but I'm assuming you left the thread when you said you were done.)
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Jersey Girl wrote:Reading back here. The underlined.

Chap wrote:
But, as Jersey Girl has pointed out, research shows that teenagers and particularly teenage girls have often reached levels of development and regularly carry out activities that adults who think 'they are just kids' know nothing about.


I don't recall saying that. Perhaps that's your addition? I do agree with it.


Sorry if I gave the impression I was quoting you. But since it seems we both agree that this is the case, I hope that no great harm has been done.
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Thanks, Lemmie, for posting the mother's account. I am even more impressed with this family and their brave daughter.
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Kishkumen wrote:Thanks, Lemmie, for posting the mother's account. I am even more impressed with this family and their brave daughter.


I am all the more impressed when I realise that this family must have been well aware of the torrent of homophobic nastiness - some open, some hidden behind cold stares - that a declaration like this would provoke.

We have only to look at Water Dog's posts to see what they knew they would have to cope with.
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Ha. It looks like the Streisand Effect has gone nuclear:

https://apnews.com/bff450345e954a89ba95acc59a7ed1cd

An interesting claim made by Mike Norton:

[–]NewNameNoah [+10][S] 45 points 11 hours ago

The video of Savannah's testimony reached more people in 5 days than all of my videos combined have seen in nearly 5 years.

Within about 30 days Savannah's story will have been seen by over 100 million people. My entire YouTube channel has seen just under 4 million views. Almost nobody gives a damn about Mormonism but half the world cares about mistreating an innocent 12 year old lesbian.


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Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Yahoo just picked it up off the wire. Heh heh heh....

-https://www.yahoo.com/news/microphone-cut-mormon-girl-reveals-shes-gay-church-224318160.html

ETA a typical Yahoo commenter:

Tracy 2 minutes ago

Shes just vomiting fourth what she has been taught on social media. You can sensationalize it as much as you want yahoo but you will never succeed in proving homosexuals are above or equal to Gods natural design of MAN and Woman. It's Not ADAM and STEVE, not EVE and EVIE. Yes, homosexuals have always existed, they always will, but it is NOT natural in the eyes of GOD no matter what your godless opinion is. Even the bugs and the animal kingdom know better, fools.


It saddens me that LDSFAQs' syntax is the norm these days.

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NY Times Opinion, baby!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opin ... -utah.html

"Think about it. How often do we ever cut the mike, really? It’s an action reserved for the drunk bridesmaid toast, when Becky decides to just “get real” for a minute and confess she slept with the groom. Or that scene in “The Fugitive” when Harrison Ford crashes the convention to tell the crowd who the real killer is (though, O.K., there isn’t technically a mike in the scene, but you get the gist). Or the first time Peter Finch goes haywire on air in “Network.” We cut the mike when someone is truly unhinged. Not when a 12-year-old girl asks her community to love her.

Mormons are genuinely conflicted about gay people. Members of the church sincerely want to be good people, and Jesus teaches us to love one another. But the current prophet says being gay is a sin. So the compromise that Mormons have struck is to love the sinner and not the sin. The problem is that when you actually love a person, you want them to be free. And then everything gets really confusing. It’s much easier to do those mental gymnastics when there isn’t a little girl in front of you, giving a speech about how much being in the closet has made her suffer."
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Meadowchik wrote:NY Times Opinion, baby!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opin ... -utah.html

"Think about it. How often do we ever cut the mike, really? It’s an action reserved for the drunk bridesmaid toast, when Becky decides to just “get real” for a minute and confess she slept with the groom. Or that scene in “The Fugitive” when Harrison Ford crashes the convention to tell the crowd who the real killer is (though, O.K., there isn’t technically a mike in the scene, but you get the gist). Or the first time Peter Finch goes haywire on air in “Network.” We cut the mike when someone is truly unhinged. Not when a 12-year-old girl asks her community to love her.

Mormons are genuinely conflicted about gay people. Members of the church sincerely want to be good people, and Jesus teaches us to love one another. But the current prophet says being gay is a sin. So the compromise that Mormons have struck is to love the sinner and not the sin. The problem is that when you actually love a person, you want them to be free. And then everything gets really confusing. It’s much easier to do those mental gymnastics when there isn’t a little girl in front of you, giving a speech about how much being in the closet has made her suffer."

Wow, thanks for posting the link. This was pretty powerful too:

"I am familiar with the particular type of silence that falls on testimony meeting. It’s uncomfortable and loud. And in the silence that followed Savannah’s testimony, she went back to her seat, put her head in her mother’s lap and sobbed. And everyone in her church had to listen."
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Madison54 wrote:
Meadowchik wrote:NY Times Opinion, baby!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/24/opin ... -utah.html

"Think about it. How often do we ever cut the mike, really? It’s an action reserved for the drunk bridesmaid toast, when Becky decides to just “get real” for a minute and confess she slept with the groom. Or that scene in “The Fugitive” when Harrison Ford crashes the convention to tell the crowd who the real killer is (though, O.K., there isn’t technically a mike in the scene, but you get the gist). Or the first time Peter Finch goes haywire on air in “Network.” We cut the mike when someone is truly unhinged. Not when a 12-year-old girl asks her community to love her.

Mormons are genuinely conflicted about gay people. Members of the church sincerely want to be good people, and Jesus teaches us to love one another. But the current prophet says being gay is a sin. So the compromise that Mormons have struck is to love the sinner and not the sin. The problem is that when you actually love a person, you want them to be free. And then everything gets really confusing. It’s much easier to do those mental gymnastics when there isn’t a little girl in front of you, giving a speech about how much being in the closet has made her suffer."

Wow, thanks for posting the link. This was pretty powerful too:

"I am familiar with the particular type of silence that falls on testimony meeting. It’s uncomfortable and loud. And in the silence that followed Savannah’s testimony, she went back to her seat, put her head in her mother’s lap and sobbed. And everyone in her church had to listen."



Indeed! And look at her face, the epitomy of sweetness!
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Madison54 wrote: And in the silence that followed Savannah’s testimony, she went back to her seat, put her head in her mother’s lap and sobbed. And everyone in her church had to listen."


SHAME on them!
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