bomgeography wrote:Haplo group x which Navajo do have a small percentage of is from the Middle East not the Arctic.
DNA has already established that haplo group x came from the Middle East not Central Asia arctic or Siberia. So unless you believe they took an airplane to North America that is one option the other option is haplo group x sailed to North America as described in the Book of Mormon and the theory and dating that it is older than the Book of Mormon is wrong. Have a nice day.
bomgeography wrote:Haplo group x which Navajo do have a small percentage of is from the Middle East not the Arctic.
DNA has already established that haplo group x came from the Middle East not Central Asia arctic or Siberia. So unless you believe they took an airplane to North America that is one option the other option is haplo group x sailed to North America as described in the Book of Mormon and the theory and dating that it is older than the Book of Mormon is wrong. Have a nice day.
That's kind of a misleading statement. First haplogroup x is mitochondrial DNA. Not nuclear DNA. DNA changes and the development of new haplogroups takes many thousands of years longer in mitochondrial DNA than in nuclear DNA. The X group has been around for a very long time. Long enough to separate into two sub-groups.
X2 didn't need to take a plane ride. It just took a leisurely stroll from the near east to Europe, the Caucasus, Siberia and then over Beringia. Easy Peasy. All of this happened thousands of years before the Levantine people even knew they were Jewish.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
Actually no it doesn't haplo group x DNA is not found in the Arctic or Siberia. As it's related to native Americans it's not found in Central Asia. Peace.
bomgeography wrote:Haplo group x which Navajo do have a small percentage of is from the Middle East not the Arctic.
DNA has already established that haplo group x came from the Middle East not Central Asia arctic or Siberia. So unless you believe they took an airplane to North America that is one option the other option is haplo group x sailed to North America as described in the Book of Mormon and the theory and dating that it is older than the Book of Mormon is wrong. Have a nice day.
DNA has already established that all humans came from Africa, without airplanes and so long ago that the Bible can't even account for it. Does that make the English to be Africans?
Haplogroup X2a is only found in America. It is not in the Middle East and never was. It developed entirely in America, from ancestral X DNA that was in the Middle East 30,000 years ago. The migrations out of the Middle East were not one living family walking, boating or flying to America. It happened slowly over multiple generations spanning vast areas of land mass. Just because there are no living people in the arctic with Haplogroup X does not mean that they were not passing through there some 14,000 years ago. There are so many other corresponding evidences that the simple lack of existing haplogroup x in that region is not even a factor. We have been through all of this already.
I showed you the linguistic distribution of the Navajo language which clearly demonstrates that they came out of the arctic. They were not in the American Southwest during Book of Mormon times. They did not come from the Middle East on a boat 600 BC. They did not fly from the Middle East to the American Southwest. Limiting yourself to the two options you gave me might be convenient for your fantastical claims but it also keeps you outside of the truth.
bomgeography wrote:Actually no it doesn't haplo group x DNA is not found in the Arctic or Siberia. As it's related to native Americans it's not found in Central Asia. Peace.
If you have any understanding of how DNA works, you are twisting to fit your pet theories. You must have realized by now that this sort of bait and switch will not work around here at all.
You should try selling your theories on a more gullible board. You might get more accepting responses.
This, or any other post that I have made or will make in the future, is strictly my own opinion and consequently of little or no value.
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true" Twain.
bomgeography wrote:the theory and dating that it is older than the Book of Mormon is wrong.
And thus we see that truth is sacrificed on the altar of fanaticism.
And all he has when the science does not agree with his beliefs is they must be wrong. No reason, just they must be wrong. Funny that they fall all over themselves if they think some scientific knowledge agrees with what they want to believe.
bomgeography wrote:The Navajo do have the Middle East haplo group x DNA gene. Navajo do fit in but I do not know how exactly. It's most likely through nephite trading outpost and expansion. It's a known fact Hopewell trade extended thousands of miles to the Rocky Mountains see x distribution map.
Haplo group x largest concentrations are in Israel Druze and Native Americans i.e. Not in Asia
Native Americans, haplogroup X appears to be essentially restricted to northern Amerindian groups, including the Ojibwa, the Nuu-Chah-Nulth, the Sioux, and the Yakima, although we also observed this haplogroup in the Na-Dene–speaking Navajo.
McKane, regarding your broken link, have you read the contents of that link recently? Do you feel it still supports your statements?
Also, your last sentence is actually from the abstract of a 1998 article that is not discussed in your wiki link.
I am proud to declare to you today, brothers and sisters, that I am a descendant of Lehi, Nephi, and all the great Book of Mormon prophets.
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He would be a descendant of Lehi - but most likely not Nephi. Laman or Lemuel were the bad guys whose descendants were the initial Lamanites. Later with the mixing and all becoming as one with Jesus - did the Lamanites skin turn White and Delightsome? Only later to go dark again as they got wicked?
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SuperDell wrote:He would be a descendant of Lehi - but most likely not Nephi. Laman or Lemuel were the bad guys whose descendants were the initial Lamanites. Later with the mixing and all becoming as one with Jesus - did the Lamanites skin turn White and Delightsome? Only later to go dark again as they got wicked?
By normal population genetics with even a little diffusion amongst groups there would be descendants of Nephi among all the survivors of the final Nephite wars. But as you note for a period there was massive intermixing of groups with the later grouping most likely being primarily political. Apologists argue that even early on during the main narrative of Mosiah-Helaman that the categories are primarily political.
As to skin, there's a lot of debate as to what that means. I've always thought that it made most sense as ritualistic marking and not the skin itself. While there's not consensus on where the Book of Mormon transpired, if it was in the general mayan region then the painting of bodies black and red is a well attested tradition. This would easily explain how the skin would change. It wasn't the skin proper so much as a cultural marking. Much like you could distinguish the typical EFY kid from a certain subgroups of San Francisco kid by the amount of tattoos and piercings.