Bible verse by verse

[_huckelberry]

Nipper, I was wondering what you understand the wisdom of the world to be.

It is clear that Christian understanding is that salvation is through Jesus Christ alone. It is not quite as clear just who all gets included in that salvation. Does it include people who occasionally drink whiskey? people who dance? go to movies? believe in evolution? think Colossians like written by some first century Christian other than Paul? those who think of course Paul wrote that but not Hebrews? Where is the line? What about people who recognize Gods goodness in creation and hope to live accordingly but who have not come to a knowledge of Christ? Did Christ come to condemn those who hope or those who take his name and ignore his goodness?

[_Maksutov]

I have no problem reading what they say. You still aren't addressing the issue of who owns the Bible and who owns Jesus. I really don't think it has anything to do with saliva, either. Although that is one of the symptoms of rabies...you might want to find a doctor. Not a faith healer, by the way.

For the wisdom of this world is nonsense to God, for it is written: “He has seized the wise in their craftiness.” The Bible is called the word of God. The Bible belongs to GOD and interpretation is from the Holy Spirit.

More quotes and even less information from you. The capitals are nice but don't add anything. Neither did the saliva. Still no answer, eh?

So if these things belong to God and the interpretation is from the Holy Spirit, what do you think you're doing? You aren't God or the Holy Spirit. Or are you...

[_LittleNipper]

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More quotes and even less information from you. The capitals are nice but don't add anything... Still no answer, eh?

So if these things belong to God and the interpretation is from the Holy Spirit, what do you think you're doing? You aren't God or the Holy Spirit. Or are you...

What I believe comes from God's word and not someone's imagination. Very scientific, in that as a Christian, I accept what GOD tells me through His documented record/love letter. I'm trying very hard to explain to you all what GOD is revealing to me for my understanding/consumption. I'm not basing this on educated guesses to be in agreement with everyone else's educated guess...

[_LittleNipper]

1 Thessalonians 1:1-10

From: Paul, Silvanus and Timothy

To: The Messianic Community of the Thessalonians, united with God the Father and the Lord Jesus the Messiah:

Grace and peace to you.

We continually thank God for you all, regarding you regularly in our prayers,

calling to mind before God our Father what our Lord Jesus the Messiah has established in you — how your trust produces action, your love hard work, and your hope perseverance.

We know, brethren, that God has loved and selected you;

that the Good Message we brought did not become for you a matter only of words, but also one of power, the Holy Spirit and total conviction — just as you know how we lived for all your sakes when we were among you.

You, in fact became imitators of us and of the Lord; so that even though you were going through severe troubles, you received the Word with joy from the Holy Spirit.

Thus you became a model for all the believers in Macedonia and Achaia;

for the Lord’s message sounded forth from you not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but everywhere your trust toward God became known. The result is that we don’t need to say anything;

since they themselves keep explaining to us concerning the welcome we received from you and how you turned to God from idols, to serve the one true living God,

and to wait for His Son Jesus, whom He raised from the dead, to appear from heaven and rescue us from the impending fury of God’s judgment.

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, to the assembly of Thessalonians in God the Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ!

2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers,

3 unceasingly remembering of you the work of the faith, and the labour of the love, and the endurance of the hope, of our Lord Jesus Christ, in the presence of our God and Father,

4 having known, brethren beloved, by God, your election,

5 because our good news did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit, and in much assurance, even as ye have known of what sort we became among you because of you,

6 and ye -- ye did become imitators of us, and of the Lord, having received the word in much tribulation, with joy of the Holy Spirit,

7 so that ye became patterns to all those believing in Macedonia and Achaia,

8 for from you hath sounded forth the word of the Lord, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place your faith toward God did go forth, so that we have no need to say anything,

9 for they themselves concerning us do declare what entrance we had unto you, and how ye did turn unto God from the idols, to serve a living and true God,

10 and to wait for His Son from the heavens, whom He did raise out of the dead -- Jesus, who is rescuing us from the anger that is coming.

[_Maksutov]

What I believe comes from God's word and not someone's imagination. Very scientific, in that as a Christian, I accept what GOD tells me through His documented record/love letter. I'm trying very hard to explain to you all what GOD is revealing to me for my understanding/consumption. I'm not basing this on educated guesses to be in agreement with everyone else's educated guess...

Very scientific? Do you own a dictionary?

[_LittleNipper]

What I believe comes from God's word and not someone's imagination. Very scientific, in that as a Christian, I accept what GOD tells me through His documented record/love letter. I'm trying very hard to explain to you all what GOD is revealing to me for my understanding/consumption. I'm not basing this on educated guesses to be in agreement with everyone else's educated guess...

Very scientific? Do you own a dictionary?

I look at the God inspired biblical data as the ultimate defining spiritual value.

[_LittleNipper]

1 Thessalonians 2:1-20

Brethren, you know, that our visit to you was not fruitless.

Quite the contrary, although we had already suffered and been outraged in Philippi, as you realize, we had the courage (united with our God) to tell you the Good Message even under great pressure.

For the appeal we make does not originate from error or from impure motives, neither do we try to trick people.

Instead, since God has tested us and found us fit to be entrusted with Good Message, this is how we speak: not to gain the favor of the people but with God, who tests our motives.

For, as you remember, never did we employ flattering talk, nor did we put on a false front to mask greed — God is our witness.

We didn't seek human praise — either from you or others.

As apostles of the Messiah, we could have thrown our weight around; but instead, we were gentle when we were among you, like a mother feeding and caring for her children.

We were so devoted to you that we were glad to share with you not only God’s Good Message but also our very lives, because you had become so dear to us.

For you remember, brethren, our toil and hardship, how we worked continually not to burden any of you while we were proclaiming God’s Good Message to you.

You are witnesses, and so is God, of how holy, righteous and blameless our behavior was in the sight of you believers;

for you know that we treated each one of you the way a father treats his children.

We encouraged and comforted and appealed to you to lead lives worthy of God, who calls you into His Kingdom and glory.

Another reason we constantly thank God is that when you heard the Word of God from us, you received it not as a human endeavor but as it truly is, God’s Word, which is at work in you believers.

For, brethren, you came to be imitators of God’s congregations in Judea that are united with the Messiah Jesus. You suffered the same things from your countrymen as they did from the Jews who

both killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and ran us out too. They are displeasing God and opposing all mankind

by trying to keep us from informing the Gentiles, so that they may be saved. Their object seems to be always to make their sins as bad as possible! But God’s fury will catch up with them eventually.

And so for us, brethren, when we were apart from your company for a short time (in person, but not in thought) we missed you and tried hard to come and see you.

We wanted so much to visit you. I, Paul, tried several times — but the Adversary prevented us.

For when our Lord Jesus returns, what will be our hope, our joy, our crown to boast about? Won’t it in reality be you?

Yes, you are our glory and our joy!

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 For yourselves have known, brethren, our entrance in unto you, that it did not become vain,

2 but having both suffered before, and having been injuriously treated (as ye have known) in Philippi, we were bold in our God to speak unto you the good news of God in much conflict,

3 for our exhortation [is] not out of deceit, nor out of uncleanness, nor in guile,

4 but as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the good news, so we speak, not as pleasing men, but God, who is proving our hearts,

5 for at no time did we come with speech of flattery, (as ye have known,) nor in a pretext for covetousness, (God [is] witness!)

6 nor seeking of men glory, neither from you nor from others, being able to be burdensome, as Christ's apostles.

7 But we became gentle in your midst, as a nurse may cherish her own children,

8 so being desirous of you, we are well-pleased to impart to you not only the good news of God, but also our own souls, because beloved ye have become to us,

9 for ye remember, brethren, our labour and travail, for, night and day working not to be a burden upon any of you, we did preach to you the good news of God;

10 ye [are] witnesses -- God also -- how kindly and righteously, and blamelessly to you who believe we became,

11 even as ye have known, how each one of you, as a father his own children, we are exhorting you, and comforting, and testifying,

12 for your walking worthily of God, who is calling you to His own reign and glory.

13 Because of this also, we -- we do give thanks to God continually, that, having received the word of hearing from us of God, ye accepted, not the word of man, but as it is truly, the word of God, who also doth work in you who believe;

14 for ye became imitators, brethren, of the assemblies of God that are in Judea in Christ Jesus, because such things ye suffered, even ye, from your own countrymen, as also they from the Jews,

15 who did both put to death the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and did persecute us, and God they are not pleasing, and to all men [are] contrary,

16 forbidding us to speak to the nations that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always, but the anger did come upon them -- to the end!

17 And we, brethren, having been taken from you for the space of an hour -- in presence, not in heart -- did hasten the more abundantly to see your face in much desire,

18 wherefore we wished to come unto you, (I indeed Paul,) both once and again, and the Adversary did hinder us;

19 for what [is] our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? are not even ye before our Lord Jesus Christ in his presence?

20 for ye are our glory and joy.

[_Choyo Chagas]

1 Thessalonians 2:1-20

Brethren, you know...

some sisters, maybe?

at least the wives of the brethren? - or was paul interested in males only...

[_LittleNipper]

1 Thessalonians 2:1-20

Brethren, you know...

some sisters, maybe?

at least the wives of the brethren? - or was paul interested in males only...

It is a general term that encompasses male and female --- young and old.

[_Maksutov]

some sisters, maybe?

at least the wives of the brethren? - or was paul interested in males only...

It is a general term that encompasses male and female --- young and old.

I think you're guessing. Show us in the original language that this is so, Bible scholar.