Hamula released from 1st Quorum of 70, no longer a member

[_Dr. Shades]

In recent years, Hamula served in important roles as assistant executive director of church history and executive director of a department that reviews all documents published by the church.

Aaaaaaand there we have it: The "deep throat" behind all the MormonLeaks, uh, leaks.

And the real reason he was excommunicated.

[_Dr Exiled]

It'll be interesting if the guy speaks out about this. Lee, the last g.a. to get ex'ed, spoke out a few times about the prideful leadership etc.

[_Dr. Shades]

It'll be interesting if the guy speaks out about this.

Let's hope he does an interview with John Dehlin.

[_consiglieri]

Or Radio Free Mormon.

[_consiglieri]

In recent years, Hamula served in important roles as assistant executive director of church history and executive director of a department that reviews all documents published by the church.

Aaaaaaand there we have it: The "deep throat" behind all the MormonLeaks, uh, leaks.

And the real reason he was excommunicated.

Brilliant conjecture by the way.

[Guest]

The Church declares that church discipline is confidential. However, they also publicly declared that Hamula wasn't exed for apostasy or disillusionment. I think that violated confidences. There are only so many excommunicable offenses.

Had Hamula been exed for apostasy, would the Church announce "Brother Hamula was not exed for adultery".

The last thing the Church wants is a GA to leave for apostasy.

They publicly eliminated one of the few possibilities to avoid potential bad PR. Definitely a breach of their protocol.

[_consiglieri]

Didn't someone claim to be talking to a 70 who no longer believed?
Grant Palmer or Tom Phillips or someone else? Could it be this guy?

I believe it was Grant Palmer.

Can Grant Palmer identify him (if it is him) now that Hamula is no longer in the church?

[_consiglieri]

The Church declares that church discipline is confidential. However, they also publicly declared that Hamula wasn't exed for apostasy or disillusionment. I think that violated confidences. There are only so many excommunicable offenses.

Had Hamula been exed for apostasy, would the Church announce "Brother Hamula was not exed for adultery".

The last thing the Church wants is a GA to leave for apostasy.

They publicly eliminated one of the few possibilities to avoid potential bad PR. Definitely a breach of their protocol.

I know that the church probably feels it is in a no-win situation.

Let's say Elder Hamula was excommunicated for something run-of-the-mill like adultery.

But the church doesn't want people to think he was excommunicated for apostasy.

So they publicly state he wasn't excommunicated for apostasy.

Which just makes people think he actually was excommunicated for apostasy.

Even if he wasn't excommunicated for apostasy, the church would have done better to just not say anything about it.

I mean, the only people who are going to believe the church about its not being for apostasy are the people who wouldn't think it was for apostasy in the first place.

Score another coup for the church PR department.

[Guest]

The biggest fear the leadership had in excommunicating a General Authority who worked in the Church History department is that people would think it was apostasy or belief related. That's an interesting insight to what keeps the Q12 and FP up at night.

Apostasy because of Church History is the #1 problem for the Church?
That despite the essays.

[_JLHPROF]

Didn't he have his calling and election made sure? Or not?

Depends if you are referring to the ordinance or the confirmation...