What does a troll really want?

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Re: What does a troll really want?

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Jersey Girl wrote:EA there was a thread in Terrestrial about a news article concerning Darrick. Even though he'd been banned, folks here tried to help him. That's the act of compassion I was talking about there.


Ironically, showing compassion toward MG would be a better analogy. It’s easy to show compassion to a person you like.
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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Res Ipsa wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:EA there was a thread in Terrestrial about a news article concerning Darrick. Even though he'd been banned, folks here tried to help him. That's the act of compassion I was talking about there.


Ironically, showing compassion toward MG would be a better analogy. It’s easy to show compassion to a person you like.


Let's full on run this into the ground and get it over with, okay?

If this community (I bet I've already stated this) can show compassion to a person who caused trouble on the board and ultimately was banned, then we can certainly show compassion to a person who doesn't violate the board and remains a member of it.

It's a matter of contrasting behaviors and those to whom we show compassion.

I say we show compassion to not only grindael at this point, but to the community at large and put us out of our collective misery (and aggravation) by putting MG on mod queue.
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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EAllusion wrote:
Lemmie wrote:That sounds like a great approach. What would we need to do to request formally that this action be taken?


People clearly already have. I'll ask Shades his thoughts in private.


Yes, do that. Thanks.
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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from the "Apologists Harassing Critics" thread:
Maksutov wrote:And here we are again with MG blaming the community.

I'm going the way of Grindael. I am withdrawing as well until MG's BS is dealt with effectively. Add one more to the list.
Kishkumen wrote:Same. I'm outta here until mg's posts are moderated. I am happy to abide by the same standards he does, but something must be done.

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It turns out that I don’t own either a torch or a pitchfork, so I guess I’ll just continue to hang out.
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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Res Ipsa wrote:It turns out that I don’t own either a torch or a pitchfork, so I guess I’ll just continue to hang out.

:lol: Do you own a prayer mat? Maybe Kish, Maks, grindael or IHAQ could lend you one.
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Res Ipsa wrote:It turns out that I don’t own either a torch or a pitchfork, so I guess I’ll just continue to hang out.

I'd say I'm with you, but it seems even two of like mind can easily descend into a mob so,...um
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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honorentheos wrote:
Res Ipsa wrote:It turns out that I don’t own either a torch or a pitchfork, so I guess I’ll just continue to hang out.

I'd say I'm with you, but it seems even two of like mind can easily descend into a mob so,...um


I’d say you crack me up, but that raises the mob potential far too high.
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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I don't know how many people remember, but the FAIR board (MADB) and its Orwellian policies grew in direct reaction to a bunch of high value posters migrating to it from ZLMB after they rage-quit on that board because they felt moderating wasn't doing enough to take care of improper posts by critics of them. The single biggest event in that was a thread in which Juliann was caught red-handed (I'm tempted to add a curse word there) lying about something. Posters rose to her defense and had those defenses politely dismantled. They decided that this was beyond the pale trollish behavior on the part of critics and threatened to leave if something wasn't done. Then they left.

The part of that story that people might remember even less is that ZLMB reacted to these threats to take their ball and go home by stepping up censoring of critics to appease them. It wasn't MADB levels, but it was quite dubious. It just wasn't enough at that point.

Regardless of how you feel about people like Daniel Peterson, Bill Hamblin, etc. these are nice people to have on your message board if you want to talk about Mormon apologetics. You definitely don't want to see them go.

Just a reminder for those who don't remember.
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Re: What does a troll really want?

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EAllusion wrote:I don't know how many people remember, but the FAIR board (MADB) and its Orwellian policies grew in direct reaction to a bunch of high value posters migrating to it from ZLMB after they rage-quit on that board because they felt moderating wasn't doing enough to take care of improper posts by critics of them. The single biggest event in that was a thread in which Juliann was caught red-handed (I'm tempted to add a curse word there) lying about something. Posters rose to her defenses and had those defenses politely dismantled. They decided that this was beyond the pale trollish behavior on the part of critics and threatened to leave if something wasn't done. Then they left.

The part of that story that people might remember even less is that ZLMB reacted to these threats to take their ball and go home by stepping up censoring of critics to appease them. It wasn't MADB levels, but it was quite dubious. It just wasn't enough at that point.

Regardless of how you feel about people like Daniel Peterson, Bill Hamblin, etc. these are nice people to have on your message board if you want to talk about Mormon apologetics. You definitely don't want to see them go.

Just a reminder for those who don't remember.

I get the sense you are trying to tell us something. :cool:

May I just ask a couple of questions. You've given some objective assessments of mg's behavior such as this:
I'm persuaded that MG is deliberately entering threads on a consistent basis in order to be disruptive to them. He's not trying to participate in conversation in these instances. He's trying to blow it up by pushing people's buttons. He seems to have historical and current "triggers" that he thinks justifies doing this.

Q. Is there anything about that assessment that indicates you are talking about the behavior of a "nice [person] to have on your message board"??

Q. Would your description change if he engaged in exactly the same behaviors you are observing above, but you were unaware of his religious affiliation? Or knew he was exmormon?

If the argument is that bad behavior needs to be tolerated in order to get a Mormon or apologist to post here, then that means the rules will not be enforced fairly. It's also a fairly insulting position to take about Mormon posters.

Why not just enforce what I thought we already had:
rules and standards that apply to all, and a mod team that enforces them fairly.

I don't see how that can be accomplished unless mods are objectively viewing what is posted, without reference to the poster's affiliation.
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