Politics over Religion at MD&D

[_Kishkumen]

Peay had a lot of religious fervor about the vote for Trump:

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/elections/don-peay-those-who-did-not-back-trump-should-ask/article_cf3ce157-9fb7-5bc5-9055-cc1c711b5b9e.html

Republicans who did not support President Donald Trump during his campaign should be sorry.

That’s according to Don Peay, the founder of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife who campaigned to get Trump elected.

A Provo native and Mormon, Peay on Monday told the Utah County Republican Women that he thinks Mormons totally missed the boat on Trump during the 2016 presidential election.

Utah, though it eventually gave its electoral votes to Trump, flirted first with independent candidate Evan McMullin, who ended up taking more than 20 percent of the state’s vote.

Peay compared those who voted for McMullin to someone who made a bet on a football team who hadn’t made it to the Super Bowl.

“The people who did not get behind Trump probably need to look at themselves in the mirror and say, ‘Maybe I need to show a little bit of humility and ask for forgiveness, because I was wrong,’” Peay said.

[_Kishkumen]

You'll love this crazy nonsense:

http://www.thewildlifenews.com/2013/03/11/utah-legislature-likely-to-fund-alternative-education-program-using-wolf-fairy-tales/

Don Peay, Ryan Benson to receive 300K to spread fables-
Utah is dead last place in America in per-pupil spending on education. The state legislature does want to innovate, however. So for a second year it appears they will grant $300,000 to Don Peay, founder of Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife and the related anti-wolf group Big Game Forever, headed by Peay and Ryan Benson, to lead a story telling program using classic and new mythology and featuring the “vicious” wolf as an education device.

The grant, is spearheaded by Senate Majority Leader Ralph Okerlund, R-Monroe, UT, who was bought into the program after receiving campaign donations for $6500 from the two lobbyist wildlife educators.

Though no group, nor the federal government, is actually trying to reintroduce wolves to Utah, the men will use frightening folk tales to portray a world where this does happen. In this alternative universe, small, but deadly, Mexican wolves are brought to Utah where they wipe out all the big game and cost folks in nearby Idaho, Wyoming and Montana $100-million, all but destroying hunting and agriculture both.

There are those who say the telling of fairy tales is a lost art, but the legislature’s Republicans look bound to revive the time honored tradition of scaring children (adults too) so that they behave — not ask uncomfortable questions about what the Solons who gather at the capital building in Salt Lake City each winter do with their time and the citizen’s money.

Ah, the usual xenophobic scare tactics. The government shipping in Mexican wolves. Sound familiar?

[_moksha]

Ah, the usual xenophobic scare tactics. The government shipping in Mexican wolves. Sound familiar?

These are not your average law abiding wolves, they are rapists and murderers. Bad lupine hombres.
--Paid for by Chupacabras for Trump

[_DoubtingThomas]

What an imbecile, there are probably enough Mormons in Alabama to make a difference in a tight race. http://www.pewforum.org/religious-lands ... e/alabama/

[_SuperDell]

The facts are that TheMittster and his kids all have a streak of YELLOW down their backs as they are afraid to serve in the military.

[Guest]

The evidence of LDS backing of this land grab keeps piling up:

"I'm approving the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase recommendation for you, Orrin," Trump told Hatch in an October phone call, according to CNN. According to Hatch the majority of Utah residents, including American Indians, supported reducing the size of Bears Ears.

Murphy said Hatch is "lying" about tribal support, which is supported by the fact that at least five tribes are preparing to file a joint lawsuit seeking to block Trump's downsizing of Bears Ears.

"(Hatch) seems to be taking on sort of Trumpesque political move of claiming native support for his actions" while ignoring opposition from non-Mormon Indian leaders, Murphy said. "They are being entirely dismissed in favor of one or two Navajo that happened to be Mormon that are supporting this."

https://www.ecowatch.com/bears-ears-indigenous-mormons-2515344214.html

[_Kishkumen]

As I sit back and ponder stuff like this, I really wonder what it means to many of the LDS people to be a citizen of the U.S. What is it about LDS culture that tugs its people into tax protest, tax evasion, sovereign citizen movements, militias, the abuse of federal lands, etc.? This can't be a mistake or a coincidence. There is something in LDS culture that is not reconciled to full LDS participation in the United States of America. In some there is a kooky drive to redefine what it means to be American--to rewrite history and insist that the Unites States is something other than what most Americans have understood it to be. That effort has fed into the poison of conspiracy culture that is now ensconced in the White House itself.

If it was once prophesied that an elder of Israel would save the Constitution when it was hanging by the thread, I am afraid that it might more correctly have been said than an LDS elder would cut the thread the Constitution was hanging by. Cleon Skousen might have been that elder.

[_Maksutov]

As I sit back and ponder stuff like this, I really wonder what it means to many of the LDS people to be a citizen of the U.S. What is it about LDS culture that tugs its people into tax protest, tax evasion, sovereign citizen movements, militias, the abuse of federal lands, etc.? This can't be a mistake or a coincidence. There is something in LDS culture that is not reconciled to full LDS participation in the United States of America. In some there is a kooky drive to redefine what it means to be American--to rewrite history and insist that the Unites States is something other than what most Americans have understood it to be. That effort has fed into the poison of conspiracy culture that is now ensconced in the White House itself.

If it was once prophesied that an elder of Israel would save the Constitution when it was hanging by the thread, I am afraid that it might more correctly have been said than an LDS elder would cut the thread the Constitution was hanging by. Cleon Skousen might have been that elder.

I have to think about how the LDS church lied to the US government and put on the charade of the Manifesto while acting in bad faith in order to receive statehood. That doesn't sound like a loyal member of the Union.

Mormons want to be, pretend to be, fully integrated American patriots but...they will always put the president of the Church above the president of the USA. It's how they preserve their own status as chosen people, for one thing. Their patriotism requires a three way just like their personal relationships are supposed to. Maybe threesomes are just more special and powerful than those boring twosomes and onesomes.

To the credit of Utah and/or Mormons, far right extremism has been less here than in many other states. Still, it's clearly alive when you consider the Bundy family saga. Have you ever looked into the novel written by militia 'martyr' Lavoy Finicum? It's a real eye opener. A little of a Turner Diaries for Mormons.

https://www.amazon.com/Only-Blood-Suffe ... 193773594X

[Guest]

[_Craig Paxton]

With each passing day that I no longer go or post there the better my life is. How I spent so much time wasting it on that board is beyond me now looking back...but their Admin's can still kiss my arse.