Facsimile No. 3 printing plate reveals jackal head Anubis

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Re: Facsimile No. 3 printing plate reveals jackal head Anubi

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Gaelan_Ainsworth wrote:I don't think throwing Joseph under the bus is the only answer here. If I were tasked with the defense of this, I would throw Hedlock under the bus. Create some spiel on how Hedlock was swayed by evil forces during the creation of the plate, and was encouraged to deface it with inaccurate images to try the faith of those that look upon it. So mortified was Joseph Smith on discovery he invoked the power of God, spake to Reuben that he has transgressed, etc. End result Reuben is saved, the evil influence is driven away and he fixes his defaced plate.

Something along those lines anyway. Hedlock's legacy is slightly harmed, but overall the narrative is protected.

If I understand you correctly your going to say the Hedlock originally carved a snout, which wasn't even on the original facsimile, and that Joseph Smith saw it and told him to remove it?

Yeah, not a likely explanation given that Joseph Smith directly oversaw the production of the printing. Your suggestion would also have to include the fact that the evil spirit somehow knew exactly what Anubis looked like in legitimate Egyptian iconography and conveyed that image to Hedlock, and that the snout dreamed up by Hedlock happened to fit perfectly in the space next to the head. Additionally we still have a significant amount of reconstruction errors that were left in the other two facsimiles and even some alterations. Why would this be the only one that Joseph Smith corrected?

I don't think even the most rabid apologist would buy that.
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Gaelan_Ainsworth wrote:Something along those lines anyway. Hedlock's legacy is slightly harmed, but overall the narrative is protected.


By calling a god a slave? Does that protect Smith's narrative?

I think not.
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Fence Sitter wrote:I don't think even the most rabid apologist would buy that.


Shulem wrote:
By calling a god a slave? Does that protect Smith's narrative?

I think not.


Fair points, I concede, it's not an easy point to defend. I'm still predicting throwing Hedlock under the bus if anyone is going under.
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Gaelan_Ainsworth wrote:Fair points, I concede, it's not an easy point to defend. I'm still predicting throwing Hedlock under the bus if anyone is going under.


Smith was in direct supervision of the woodcuts and gave precise instruction concerning the arrangement of the writing included therein. The woodcuts were Smith's babies and Hedlock was his hired stooge. The papyrus belonged to Smith. The Facsimile and the woodcuts were Smith's -- property of the First Presidency.

Funny how LDS apologists love to blame the scribes for everything. Blame the scribes, they did it, as if Joseph Smith was innocent and had nothing to do with it.

Right.
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Gaelan_Ainsworth wrote:Fair points, I concede, it's not an easy point to defend. I'm still predicting throwing Hedlock under the bus if anyone is going under.


It's not a question of whether it's "easy" or hard. It's simply a matter of fact that it's IMPOSSIBLE to defend Smith's assertion that a god is a slave. The very idea that a god is a slave is the greatest contradiction one could possible make. It doesn't get any worse than that. It's absolute proof that Smith didn't know what he was talking about, how to interpret Egyptian iconography, and that his so-called Holy Spirit is a crock.
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Introducing my new website featuring the Facsimile No. 3 and the discovery of the missing snout on the woodcut.

This canon is pointed straight at the LDS church and its apologists.

http://book-of-abraham-facsimile-no-3.my-free.website/

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***ATTENTION***

I HAVE JUST MADE A MAJOR DISCOVERY AND HAVE COME TO A REALIZATION IN WHICH CORRECTS A MAJOR MISNOMER ABOUT THE PRODUCTION OF THE FACSIMILES!

I'M SITTING HERE TOTALLY SHOCKED AND NOW THIS REQUIRES A WHOLE NEW APPROACH! THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN MY DISCOVERY OF THE JACKAL SNOUT ARE GOING TO SEE THINGS IN A NEW LIGHT.

HELP!

I WILL ANNOUNCE MY PERSONAL DISCOVERY SHORTLY!
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***I'M GOING TO HAVE TO POST THIS IN ALL THREE THREADS TO KEEP MY DISCOVERY CONSISTENT AND HAVE JUST CORRECTED MY WEBSITE TO REFLECT THE CHANGE***

I've been studying the plates to make the Facsimiles and have realized that the medium used to create the plates is NOT wood! Wood is a misnomer! The medium in which Reuben Hedlock actually carved the plates is a type of clay lead that was hardened and made suitable for the press. I realized this by scanning close images of all three plates and you can see that the clay lead is actually fastened to woodwork via screws but the once friable medium in which the work was carved was clay lead. Also, I was able to determine that Hedlock used gridlines (see upper corner of Facsimile No. 2 plate) in which to establish his perimeters and size.

Hence, the clay lead was molded and swiped with fine tools to create the images and writing of the Facsimiles. I'm more than ever convinced that the snout was first carved in clay lead and later chiseled out. Signs of this are right there in CLAY LEAD!

Look out LDS apologists! Your ass is grass!
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$$$ PLACE YOUR BETS $$$

***FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE***

Historians of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just discovered the long lost original vignette that was used to make Facsimile No. 3. The actual papyrus fragment has been found! Further, it's now conclusively known exactly what the original head of Olimlah/Anubis looks like because the papyrus is perfectly intact.

So, you want to place a $$$ BET $$$?

Does the original vignette show the face with a jackal nose/snout?

[ ] YES
[ ] NO
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