Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I didn’t read the expose you are referring to so I can’t comment on that.

Then feel free to catch up some time.

When Dan has treated people unfairly, I have told him so.

I very much doubt that or the two of you wouldn't be "friends." (I tried to tell Dan he had treated someone unfairly just once and he threw a hissy fit and published our private correspondence without my permission.)

When Dan did that to you, I confronted him and told him that was NOT right. His response was that I didn't know the whole story behind the conversations between you two. I told him that it still didn't justify him publishing any of your private conversation.

That particular conversation did not end our friendship. He was not happy with my stance, but neither was I happy with his at the time. We both eventually moved forward. I'm sorry that he did not treat you with the same respect. I truly am.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

JP,

Please take a couple Lemmie's examples and show us why they're not plagiarisms.

- Doc

[_Kishkumen]

Why are you interested in holding onto such a friendship, Liz? You watch your “friend” behave poorly, sometimes to your other “friends,” and yet you continue to turn a blind eye to preserve the “friendship.”

It seems to me that this is an unhealthy relationship.

[_Lemmie]

If you guys are teeming through the man's work, taking time from your busy days to document instances of plagiarism, there is obviously some sort of purpose to your goal. Are you as diligent about going through other author's works? Do you have threads on other message boards dedicated to their documentations of plagiarism?

Let me ask you this, Lemmie. And this is a genuine question. What is your desired outcome from all of this?

i answered your question the last time you asked it, two days ago, on page 5 of this thread. Why do you keep asking?

And if I may "paraphrase" you, JP,

If you guys are teeming through Lemmie's posts, taking time from your busy days to document instances of her reporting of this blogger's plagiarism, there is obviously some sort of purpose to your goal. Are you as diligent about going through other poster's discussions of this blogger? Do you have threads on other message boards dedicated to other poster's discussions of this blogger?

Let me ask you this, JP. And this is a genuine question. What is your desired outcome from all of this?

What I am talking about is the continued teeming over Lemmie's work, delighting in further incidents of her documentation.

Please, I'm making myself sick imitating your style. So if I understand you correctly, you are now excusing his plagiarism by arguing it is my fault because I don't go around noticing anyone else's plagiarism, and because I've noticed it too many times. Come on, JP. It's really the fault of the people who observe it??

Ironically, if he didn't do it so often, people wouldn't notice it so often.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

If you guys are teeming through the man's work, taking time from your busy days to document instances of plagiarism, there is obviously some sort of purpose to your goal. Are you as diligent about going through other author's works? Do you have threads on other message boards dedicated to their documentations of plagiarism?

Let me ask you this, Lemmie. And this is a genuine question. What is your desired outcome from all of this?

i answered your question the last time you asked it, two days ago, on page 5 of this thread. Why do you keep asking?

And if I may "paraphrase" you, JP,

If you guys are teeming through Lemmie's posts, taking time from your busy days to document instances of her reporting of this blogger's plagiarism, there is obviously some sort of purpose to your goal. Are you as diligent about going through other poster's discussions of this blogger? Do you have threads on other message boards dedicated to other poster's discussions of this blogger?

Let me ask you this, JP. And this is a genuine question. What is your desired outcome from all of this?

What I am talking about is the continued teeming over Lemmie's work, delighting in further incidents of her documentation.

Please, I'm making myself sick imitating your style. So if I understand you correctly, you are now excusing his plagiarism by arguing it is my fault because I don't go around noticing anyone else's plagiarism, and because I've noticed it too many times. Come on, JP. It's really the fault of the people who observe it??

Ironically, if he didn't do it so often, people wouldn't notice it so often.

You are NOT understanding me correctly and there is no need to get nasty. I have treated you with nothing but respect on this thread and I would appreciate the same in return. You’re obviously angry and/or frustrated with me, and I’m truly sorry for that.

Let me see if I can clarify a few things. I realize that you have not been a part of MDB for as long as I have, and are not privy to a lot of the past drama that has taken place between this board and DCP.

For years, there has been a huge riff between Dan and quite a few people on this board. I’m not saying that Dan was always innocent in these encounters. But I will say that there were a lot of instances where he was targeted, and some folks on this board would have genuinely delighted in seeing his career, or even aspects of his personal life, ruined.

Therefore, when I see a thread devoted to something that Dan has supposedly done wrong, it reinforces in my mind a lot of the past nonsense that has occurred.

I’ve basically said my peace on this. If folks take the information here and decide to report Dan to BYU, I simply hope that BYU looks at things with an open mind, and that a good friend of mine doesn’t end up losing his job.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

You’re obviously angry and/or frustrated with me, and I’m truly sorry for that.

That's such a totes Mormon thing to say. Lol.

JP. Just pick an example from the thread. Deconstruct it. Explain why, as a professor might to her student, it's not plagiarism. Thanks.

- Doc

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Why are you interested in holding onto such a friendship, Liz? You watch your “friend” behave poorly, sometimes to your other “friends,” and yet you continue to turn a blind eye to preserve the “friendship.”

It seems to me that this is an unhealthy relationship.

Dan has supported me through some things that you are not privy to. I don’t think that you have a strong enough basis to determine what is healthy or unhealthy in terms of my friendships.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

You’re obviously angry and/or frustrated with me, and I’m truly sorry for that.

That's such a totes Mormon thing to say. Lol.

JP. Just pick an example from the thread. Deconstruct it. Explain why, as a professor might to her student, it's not plagiarism. Thanks.

- Doc

I’m not the one out to prove or disprove anything here, Doc. If you feel that there is a strong enough case to report Dan, then go for it.

ETA-You have to admit that my Mormon phrase was much nicer than saying F*** You. LOL

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

But you're the one claiming that the examples given on this thread aren't examples of deliberate plagiarism. I'm just asking you to break it down so we can see your academic point by point take on it. Right now you're just saying things with no argument other than just saying things.

eta: I'm actually mulling over ordering his dissertation from UCLA and checking it out for plagiarism. I'm curious how far back this pattern of behavior goes.

- Doc

[_Jesse Pinkman]

But you're the one claiming that the examples given on this thread aren't examples of deliberate plagiarism. I'm just asking you to break it down so we can see your academic point by point take on it. Right now you're just saying things with no argument other than just saying things.

eta: I'm actually mulling over ordering his dissertation from UCLA and checking it out for plagiarism. I'm curious how far back this pattern of behavior goes.

- Doc

I honestly don’t have time today to do that. I might be able to do something like that later this evening.

The thing is, I’m really not interested in continuing this ongoing debate. My real point was that if you really feel that Dan has done this, and are planning to report it, keep in mind that this isn’t just some Internet exercise. This is something that, in the real world, could cost a man who is a professor, likely coming up on retirement, his livelihood.

And, from the comments that have been made here, it is obvious that you all have taken that into serious consideration. At this point, I suppose that the chips will basically fall where they will fall.