Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Jersey Girl]

Question, and I don't know the answer to this. When our professors and instructors receive our papers, how do they scrutinize them for and identify plagiarism?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Question, and I don't know the answer to this. When our professors and instructors receive our papers, how do they scrutinize them for and identify plagiarism?

Obviously I have no idea how academics do it, but I would copy and paste Peterson's posts into Google and it'd link me to his source content. He's often too lazy to swap out verbs or rewrite phrases in his own words. One time I even busted him using the author's own misspellings. Dude has been plagiarizing for yeeeeears now.

- Doc

[_Lemmie]

You’re obviously angry and/or frustrated with me, and I’m truly sorry for that.

That's such a totes Mormon thing to say. Lol.

i know! it just makes me laugh now to see these types of sentences. Brings back memories!

JP. Just pick an example from the thread. Deconstruct it. Explain why, as a professor might to her student, it's not plagiarism. Thanks.

- Doc

Good request. None of JP's objections to plagiarism conclusions have dealt with actual material.

[_Jersey Girl]

Question, and I don't know the answer to this. When our professors and instructors receive our papers, how do they scrutinize them for and identify plagiarism?

Obviously I have no idea how academics do it, but I would copy and paste Peterson's posts into Google and it'd link me to his source content. He's often too lazy to swap out verbs or rewrite phrases in his own words. One time I even busted him using the author's own misspellings. Dude has been plagiarizing for yeeeeears now.

- Doc

Well, here's why I ask. With an emphasis on academic honesty, plagiarism is an egregious offense. If our professors and instructors engage in some sort of professional discipline to identify instances of plagiarism and the institution itself has mechanisms in place to consequence student violations, then it only follows that DCP (a professor himself) knows exactly what constitutes plagiarism, how to identify it, and ultimately how to consequence a student for it.

If he knows what constitutes plagiarism and continues to violate principles of academic honesty as professor and author, and IF he chooses to continue said violations...then what is the point of Jesse Pinkman giving him a heads up to anything at all?

He already knows what he's doing and what the potential cost might be to him professional and personally.

So how is that folks on this thread are being warned against exposing or reporting it?

I don't geddit.

[_Jersey Girl]

ETA-You have to admit that my Mormon phrase was much nicer than saying F*** You. LOL

Personally, I'd rather see the well placed eff you and get it over with. It's more efficient.

[_Lemmie]

I honestly don’t have time today to do that. I might be able to do something like that later this evening.

You have time to write all these posts deconstructing what you define as my "role" in this, but you don't have time to look at the one example I posted on this page for you? It is getting harder and harder to take your objections seriously.

Therefore, when I see a thread devoted to something that Dan has supposedly done wrong, it reinforces in my mind a lot of the past nonsense that has occurred.

That explains a lot. i am taking a different approach. I am basing my assessment of plagiarism on current facts in evidence that I evaluate directly, and not on remembered feelings about past encounters that I define as nonsense.

ETA-You have to admit that my Mormon phrase was much nicer than saying F*** You. LOL

Actually, no. On a serious note, i would much rather hear a direct expression of how a person feels than that passive-aggressive fakeness. That style is insidiously harmful, causing considerable damage to one's psyche and to all relationships. It is personally dishonest, narcissistic, and reflects extreme disregard for others.

ETA: I see Jersey got to the point much more succinctly.

[_Kishkumen]

Dan has supported me through some things that you are not privy to. I don’t think that you have a strong enough basis to determine what is healthy or unhealthy in terms of my friendships.

So someone is caught red handed in serial thievery and the healthy thing to do for this friend is:

1: ignore the clear evidence of wrongdoing and blame the people who have caught him

2: acknowledge the painful truth and help your friend face his problem

Would you call choosing option #1 evidence of a:

1: healthy relationship

2: unhealthy relationship

[_Tator]

Pasterson is a big boy.
He knows the rules.
He knows the potential risk, consequences of his actions.
He reads this board.
So, why does he need an enabler, rescuer, informer?

[_Jersey Girl]

Let me try to tug at some of the loose strands at the edge of this defense and see if I can't pull them through and do something with them.

I don’t consider that as enabling. As a professor yourself, I think that if you were accused of something that could devastate your career, you would want as much time as possible to prepare some sort of defense.

He already knows what he's doing. He continues to do it. If he hasn't got a defense up his sleeve by now, that's on him. He's not a child who requires stage warnings to a time out consequence.

The only point I am trying to make in my response is that you aren’t just playing some kind of game. These are real people and real livelihoods that you are f***ing around with.

If he's plagiarizing, then he's the one damned around with his own life and livelihood. Not anyone here.

Maybe I’m overly sensitive about this because I lost a job due to a layoff and was out of a job for 7 months. I was so depressed I was suicidal. All I’m saying is that when you start accusing people of things in a public forum, it is serious and there are serious consequences that can occur as a result.

I'm going to be blunt as hell here. This is you projecting your own emotional state on to someone who has an innate propensity to save his own ass. Either that or you're appealing to emotion and it doesn't work. He has maligned many a person in writing, and in fact, when he believed his own physical safety was threatened by DE, somehow I was the recipient on a list of recipients of an email circulated wherein he stated that he would contact LE about DE's threats to him including those mentioned on this very board.

Fact: If his ass needs saving, he'll save it himself.

I can tell you that I do know what it is like to lose a professorship due to a grant reduction and having to start your career over at 53. It’s not easy. And I just hate to see anyone I care about go through something like that.

That's a false equivalent. You committed no violation whatsoever when you lost that position. He's committing the same violation repeatedly and in spades.

Now, this series of posts you've made is going to end up digging up old bones because God and the angels know that someone around here will be more than willing to do so, and do you need someone to warn you about how that will go?

Consider the heads up issued and does that need to be the price you pay for derailing this topic?

[_Jersey Girl]

Dan has supported me through some things that you are not privy to. I don’t think that you have a strong enough basis to determine what is healthy or unhealthy in terms of my friendships.

So someone is caught red handed in serial thievery and the healthy thing to do for this friend is:

1: ignore the clear evidence of wrongdoing and blame the people who have caught him

2: acknowledge the painful truth and help your friend face his problem

Would you call choosing option #1 evidence of a:

1: healthy relationship

2: unhealthy relationship

So now the focus of the thread has shifted to intervention.