Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Kishkumen]

Also, Lemmie, since you and others obviously feel this strongly about this, why not have the guts to email Dan directly? He has invited you to do so on several occasions. He might be able to clarify some things. I have always operated under the guise of if something that someone has done, bothers you, go to the source. Gossiping behind someone’s back has never been my style. The reason I stepped in here to begin with is that Dan is not a poster here and can’t speak for himself in this forum.

What purpose do you think this will serve? Will it help to have him issue the same denial to them directly? The offer is pointless and silly. The way anyone can tell this is serious is that he did offer a rare, albeit incomplete, admission. The evidence presented, however, appears to me to represent an ingrained habit of copying and tweaking the works of others. If DCP does not think this is a problem, do you think it will help for people he clearly has contempt for to contact him directly?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Also, Lemmie, since you and others obviously feel this strongly about this, why not have the guts to email Dan directly? He has invited you to do so on several occasions. He might be able to clarify some things. I have always operated under the guise of if something that someone has done, bothers you, go to the source. Gossiping behind someone’s back has never been my style. The reason I stepped in here to begin with is that Dan is not a poster here and can’t speak for himself in this forum.

What purpose do you think this will serve? Will it help to have him issue the same denial to them directly? The offer is pointless and silly. The way anyone can tell this is serious is that he did offer a rare, albeit incomplete, admission. The evidence presented, however, appears to me to represent an ingrained habit of copying and tweaking the works of others. If DCP does not think this is a problem, do you think it will help for people he clearly has contempt for to contact him directly?

Like I said in my previous post, I am just a firm believer in going straight to the source. Maybe that is a naïve or stupid stance, but there it is.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Also, Lemmie, since you and others obviously feel this strongly about this, why not have the guts to email Dan directly? He has invited you to do so on several occasions. He might be able to clarify some things. I have always operated under the guise of if something that someone has done, bothers you, go to the source. Gossiping behind someone’s back has never been my style. The reason I stepped in here to begin with is that Dan is not a poster here and can’t speak for himself in this forum.

What purpose do you think this will serve? Will it help to have him issue the same denial to them directly? The offer is pointless and silly. The way anyone can tell this is serious is that he did offer a rare, albeit incomplete, admission. The evidence presented, however, appears to me to represent an ingrained habit of copying and tweaking the works of others. If DCP does not think this is a problem, do you think it will help for people he clearly has contempt for to contact him directly?

Like I said in my previous post, I am just a firm believer in going straight to the source. Maybe that is a naïve or stupid stance, but there it is.

Also, Kish, I know that you feel that my friendship with Dan is unhealthy. Although I appreciate your concern, I am perfectly capable of judging who I am friends with. I would like to remind you that when apologists were messing around with you in real life, I came just as staunchly to YOUR defense. This is not something new for me.

I guess my real problem with all of this is parallel to what you stated in an earlier post. Online and in real life encounters should remain separate.

ETA--And, we should recognize what types of posts can affect people in real life in a negative way.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Still no analysis given by JP that disproves any of the multiple examples of plagiarism aren't plagiarism. She stated she didn't see it, and now she has shifted to something along the lines of it's plagiarism, but totally not on purpose. It was an accident!

Like. How does a professor with decades of writing under his belt accidentally plagiarize someone? Did he accidentally google a source? Accidently highlight, copy, paste, and reword it? Did he accidentally forget to attribute a source? How would any of these actions possibly exculpate a journalist, student, or researcher?

I get she's doing the Pasterson thing of making a claim, not backing it up, making it personal, claiming victim status, huffing off, and then coming back to make what will be dozens of posts about being too busy or too detached or assed out or whatever to actually disprove the claim that plagiarism isn't plagiarism. She even posted a typical Pasterson non-response as proof that he doesn't plagiarize material! PROOF!

Also, acting like we're talking about Pasterson behind his back is absurd. The dude reads this board like he's looking for a Krispy Kreme coupon.

- Doc

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Still no analysis given by JP that disproves any of the multiple examples of plagiarism aren't plagiarism. She stated she didn't see it, and now she has shifted to something along the lines of it's plagiarism, but totally not on purpose. It was an accident!

Like. How does a professor with decades of writing under his belt accidentally plagiarize someone? Did he accidentally google a source? Accidently highlight, copy, paste, and reword it? Did he accidentally forget to attribute a source? How would any of these actions possibly exculpate a journalist, student, or researcher?

I get she's doing the Pasterson thing of making a claim, not backing it up, making it personal, claiming victim status, huffing off, and then coming back to make what will be dozens of posts about being too busy or too detached or assed out or whatever to actually disprove the claim that plagiarism isn't plagiarism. She even posted a typical Pasterson non-response as proof that he doesn't plagiarize material! PROOF!

Also, acting like we're talking about Pasterson behind his back is absurd. The dude reads this board like he's looking for a Krispy Kreme coupon.

- Doc

Show me where I made the argument that plagiarism wasn't plagiarism. I think that if you go over my posts, you will see that my consistent stance is that Dan didn't purposefully plagiarize. If you misunderstood my stance, then I didn't communicate it effectively. I believe that I have stated my reasoning in why I feel Dan's plagiarism was unintentional. Obviously, you and others feel differently. To each his own.

[_Tator]

Also, Lemmie, since you and others obviously feel this strongly about this, why not have the guts to email Dan directly? He has invited you to do so on several occasions. He might be able to clarify some things. I have always operated under the guise of if something that someone has done, bothers you, go to the source. Gossiping behind someone’s back has never been my style. The reason I stepped in here to begin with is that Dan is not a poster here and can’t speak for himself in this forum.

I did not realize that DupeCopyPasterson was so helpless. I guess he is so helpless he can't become a poster here and speak for himself. It certainly is a terrible disability to have. I hope he has applied for SSI.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

JP,

You agreed with YB's erroneous statement, you stated that Pasterson is being maligned, you stated that you don't agree with the evidence of plagiarism (on the 3rd or 4th page, I think), then you shifted to we're going to destroy a man's livelihood because we're assholes for pointing out his plagiarism, then you shifted to it's unintentional plagiarism providing as 'proof' Pasterson's denial, and now you're claiming that you didn't claim it wasn't plagiarism.

What. In. The. Eff. Are. You. Doing?

You stated you didn't have time to fact check. You stated you were done with the thread. And now you're still on here just doing what Pasterson is doing by playing games. This is kind of bull crap trolling at this point.

- Doc

[_Doctor Scratch]

He already knows what he's doing. He continues to do it. If he hasn't got a defense up his sleeve by now, that's on him.

This is a good point, and I can't help but wonder what the end game is here, exactly. Of course he knows, and he publicly acknowledged that he'd been doing this (calling it an "accident"). So why does he continue to do it? Some possibilities:

--Hubris. He gets some kind of kicky thrill out of doing this over and over again: tempting fate and daring anyone to call him out. It's the excitement of feeling like he's getting away with something. Or, along similar lines, he's got a sort of "God complex" and basically thinks he's invincible--that he can do whatever he wants and remain unscathed.

--Senility / decline in mental faculties. It may be that the "old noodle" just isn't what it used to be: he's losing track of what he's doing, becoming more forgetful, etc. (Unlikely, in my opinion, given how far back this stuff goes.)

--Genuine clumsiness and stupidity. I.e., he really is this much of a hack and can't figure out how to produce original material, and thus needs to "steal," etc.

--"Bait." I sort of wonder if this is some kind of Mopologetic "trap." Maybe he's thinking to himself: "Those critics are anonymous cowards! Well, here: I'll give this to them. If they want to ruin me, let them try--here, I'm offering the opportunity right here on a silver platter! But then they'd have to drop the mask of anonymity and report my activities using their real names! And then at last I'll know who they are, and I will at last have my revenge!"

[_Kishkumen]

Like I said in my previous post, I am just a firm believer in going straight to the source. Maybe that is a naïve or stupid stance, but there it is.

Jesse, the source is his writings. The evidence of his writings and the material allegedly plagiarized is all one needs to figure this out. Any explanation he might offer for why the two look so much alike is of significantly lesser value.

[_I have a question]

The best thing a genuine friend could do for Peterson now, is to volunteer to vet his material for plagiarism before he publishes it. Because he clearly isn’t capable or willing to do it for himself.

If it’s a genuine case of unintentional plagiarism then he will gladly accept that offer...