Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Jersey Girl]

Are you continuing this at the behest of Peterson?

That's not how he functions. He uses other methods to provoke people into taking up for him.

[Guest]

Jesse,

Where I work, a supposed professional who behaved as DCP continues to, and whose work products were of the general quality of DCP's, would have been terminated by now. The ethics and culture of an organization are judged by the behavior and public image of its senior professionals and long term staff.

I can't imagine any successful professional organization that would tolerate the poor quality work DCP manages to produce on a near daily basis.

We have just finished the long and expensive process of terminating a senior executive in our company because his work products and behavior were negatively affecting the entire organization and alienating the clients and counter parties with who we do business. The reputation of our company was important enough to us and our shareholders that we ended up spending a lot of time and money to get rid of this guy.

Just as this guy's behavior and persona corroded the reputation of our company, DCP's poor professional behavior reflects badly on BYU, on the LDS Church, and on Deseret News - at a minimum. As described by Gerald Bradford in his now famous letter to DCP, there was a reason that DCP was removed from his post at FARMS in 2012.

The time has come for us to take the Review in a different direction. What we need to do to properly affect this change in the Review is to ask someone else, someone working in the mainstream of Mormon studies, who has a comparable vision to my own for what it can accomplish, to edit the publication.

DCP's behavior subsequent to that event demonstrated very clearly why removing him was the right decision for FARMS and the Church.

Back in 2012 the it was ad hominem attacks. Today it's plagiarism.

In my opinion, and clearly in that of others on the board, the public image and reputations of the above named organizations that continue to hire, employ, or financially support DCP, and his public persona, are diminished by association for doing so. While granting that DCP probably retains a following within the rank and file of the Mormondom, the perceptions of the general public at large are what is important to the Church in the long run.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Doc, I do NOT deny that Dan has committed cases of unintentional plagiarism.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Jesse,

Where I work, a supposed professional who behaved as DCP continues to, and whose work products were of the general quality of DCP's, would have been terminated by now. The ethics and culture of an organization are judged by the behavior and public image of its senior professionals and long term staff.

I can't imagine any successful professional organization that would tolerate the poor quality work DCP manages to produce on a near daily basis.

We have just finished the long and expensive process of terminating a senior executive in our company because his work products and behavior were negatively affecting the entire organization and alienating the clients and counter parties with who we do business. The reputation of our company was important enough to us and our shareholders that we ended up spending a lot of time and money to get rid of this guy.

Just as this guy's behavior and persona corroded the reputation of our company, DCP's poor professional behavior reflects badly on BYU, on the LDS Church, and on Deseret News - at a minimum. As described by Gerald Bradford in his now famous letter to DCP, there was a reason that DCP was removed from his post at in 2012.

The time has come for us to take the Review in a different direction. What we need to do to properly affect this change in the Review is to ask someone else, someone working in the mainstream of Mormon studies, who has a comparable vision to my own for what it can accomplish, to edit the publication.

DCP's behavior subsequent to that event demonstrated very clearly why removing him was the right decision for FARMS and the Church.

Back in 2012 the it was ad hominem attacks. Today it's plagiarism.

In my opinion, and clearly in that of others on the board, the public image and reputations of the above named organizations that continue to hire, employ, or financially support DCP, and his public persona, are diminished by association for doing so. While granting that DCP probably retains a following within the rank and file of the Mormondom, the perceptions of the general public at large are what is important to the Church in the long run.

If that’s the case, considering the general disaffection felt toward both BYU and the Church by folks on this board, I’m surprised they would want to do anything that would help either organizations’ reputation. If someone has done this who was against Church policy, would you be just as apt to jump on this? If the answer is yes, that’s fine. And, frankly, I believe that you, DrW, would probably doggedly pursue this, considering what you just explained about what happened in your company. I just am also aware that there has been an anti-DCP campaign that has existed on this board for years. And I have never felt that a lot of the nonsense was justified. I would just like to see the man left alone.

[_Res Ipsa]

JP, it’s clear to me that you believe the plagiarism is unintentional because that’s Peterson said and you consider him to be honest. What Lemmie and others are saying is that, given the frequency and the method, what Peterson is doing cannot be unintentional. I have no history with Peterson, but I find the evidence of intentional conduct pretty convincing. If you want to effective defend Peterson, I think you have to come to grips with the evidence and not just repeat “but he said...”

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Doc, I do NOT deny that Dan has committed cases of unintentional plagiarism.

Ok. Can you take one or two examples of his plagiarism from this thread and please demonstrate how they can be created unintentionally by a professional author, university academic, and scholar?

Because I'm not seeing how it's possible.

- Doc

[_Jersey Girl]

I would just like to see the man left alone.

The man himself doesn't want to be left alone.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

JP, it’s clear to me that you believe the plagiarism is unintentional because that’s Peterson said and you consider him to be honest. What Lemmie and others are saying is that, given the frequency and the method, what Peterson is doing cannot be unintentional. I have no history with Peterson, but I find the evidence of intentional conduct pretty convincing. If you want to effective defend Peterson, I think you have to come to grips with the evidence and not just repeat “but he said...”

I’ve come to grips. I’ve said what I have to say. At this point, I’m just responding to people (not you) who have accused me of trolling and seem to get their jollies from twisting what I say and doing their best to prove me wrong.

[Guest]

If that’s the case, considering the general disaffection felt toward both BYU and the Church by folks on this board, I’m surprised they would want to do anything that would help either organizations’ reputation. If someone has done this who was against Church policy, would you be just as apt to jump on this? If the answer is yes, that’s fine. And, frankly, I believe that you, DrW, would probably doggedly pursue this, considering what you just explained about what happened in your company. I just am also aware that there has been an anti-DCP campaign that has existed on this board for years. And I have never felt that a lot of the nonsense was justified. I would just like to see the man left alone.

Jesse,

We worked with our problem executive for some two years. We tried interventions. We tried leaving him alone. We tried restricting his responsibilities and authority. The longer he stayed, the worse it got.

Because he was one of the founders (sound familiar?), it eventually cost us seven figures, to be paid out over the next year, to finally get rid of him. And I'm here at my computer today instead of taking some time off because I'm still cleaning up the mess he left with our shareholders.

Admittedly, I am not personally affected in the least by what DCP does, and I am no doubt blowing off some steam. However, considering the very recent and very very expensive object lesson as to what unprofessional behavior can cost an organization, I took the opportunity to comment on DCP's behavior on a board that is at least acknowledged by the organization for which he is performing his service, or disservice, as the case may be.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Doc, I do NOT deny that Dan has committed cases of unintentional plagiarism.

Ok. Can you take one or two examples of his plagiarism from this thread and please demonstrate how they can be created unintentionally by a professional author, university academic, and scholar?

Because I'm not seeing how it's possible.

- Doc

I already told you, Doc. I’m done. If you and others want me to quit contributing to this thread then quit asking me questions. You said yourself that you believe I am supposedly trolling to MG proportion. I’m trying to exit the thread but you guys keep pulling me back in. You and Lemmie won, OK? Is that what you want to hear?