Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Lemmie]

I agree that he should have credited Pearcey in this. I’m not seeing where he did. He does footnote everything else.

Yes, he footnotes the quotes internal to what he plagiarizes by copying the plagiarized author's footnotes, but he does NOT footnote or reference or attribute what he plagiarizes. I have documented that many, many times.

I would attribute this to carelessness, but I understand where you are coming from with this. I think it comes down to what kind of a person you think DCP is.

No, it doesn't. I am judging the plagiarism on the basis of the evidence.

Obviously, Dan needs to be a lot more careful in his documentation of sources. But I see it more as an example of rushed, careless writing rather than true intentional plagiarism. He should have taken the time to find the name of the article he took notes from and attributed the author for the work.

It is not carelessness, it takes a great deal of care to go in and carefully pick out and change a dozen words or phrases to their synonyms. In fact, I've even documented where Peterson has changed a synonym but forgot to remove the original term, making it completely obvious what he was doing.

Nor is Peterson copying and forgetting to reference because the internal references are all accurately done.

It is an intentional pattern of plagiarism that has been repeated over and over.

[_Lemmie]

[MODERATOR NOTE: Splitting this thread wouldn't be just a job, it'd be a career. However, if the original poster (Lemmie) wants me to do it, then she should send me a link to the first post that she believes constitutes a derail and I'll do my best.]

Thanks for the offer, Dr. Shades, but I wouldn't wish that career on anyone!

I am comfortable letting the thread stand, for the reasons I mentioned before, which you may not have seen so I'll repost the relevant part:

In my opinion, although i am sure this was not her intent, some of [Jesse Pinkman's] posts and the responses to her posts demonstrate quite clearly the thoroughly untenable nature of Peterson's excuses for his plagiarism. Even her attack on me where she stated that what she has really wanted to do for a long time was to say "F*** you" came in response to a detailed post about plagiarism that she clearly could not respond to. In my opinion, her attack on me is evidence that she had no way to argue Peterson's plagiarism is unintentional, and so she lashed out with a personal attack.

After this dies down, I'll summarize and pull together the facts of the ongoing case so that the thread can get back on track, but I have no problem ... letting the thread stand as it is. My main goal is to communicate clearly my findings.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

First of all, you are creating scenarios which you cannot prove happened. I understand your point, Doc, and I'm not being cavalier. I have acknowledged that he needs to fix the problem. Again, I'm unclear of what you are expecting from me.

Have some integrity? Stop defending a thief? Stop shaming people who point out robberies as the problem?

- Doc

Who am I shaming here? What do you want from me, Doc? An apology? A statement that DCP is a thief? What? I’ve been honest in how I felt about this. The fact that it doesn’t square with your feelings or others is your problem. Not mine. I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you and other folks here to be able to agree to disagree without dog piling or lashing out. It seems like it is possible on some threads, but anything dealing with DCP in any way just causes explosions of the worst kind.

One lesson I have learned is that it is just better to let any thread about DCP stand. Since most here hate him, anyone who even attempts to defend him in any way will be dog piled and maligned right along with him.

[Guest]

Who am I shaming here?

Yourself, it seems.

Your friend has been ‘unintentionally’ plagiarising, repeatedly, for a long, long time.
He’s even acknowledged it.
Yet he still continues to do it. Very carefully, as Lemmie has articulated above.

If he’s acknowledged what he does, yet continues to do it, how can that possibly be considered ‘unintentional’?

[_Tator]

JP, do you ever get the thought that Pasterson is just using you?

The thought has entered my mind more than once.

[_Lemmie]

I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you and other folks here to be able to agree to disagree without dog piling or lashing out.

That story is really wearing thin, JP.

I don’t know what the f*** else you want from me. So why don’t you just quit addressing me or talking about me on this thread, and contribute to Lemmie’s OP. In other words, stfu.

The only thing I really have to say to you at this point is what should have said a long time ago. F*** you.

There are rules in Terrestrial, and you have broken them repeatedly with your language and imagery. Please stop.

[_Jersey Girl]

Who am I shaming here? What do you want from me, Doc? An apology? A statement that DCP is a thief? What? I’ve been honest in how I felt about this. The fact that it doesn’t square with your feelings or others is your problem.

It's thinking, not feeling.

Not mine. I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you and other folks here to be able to agree to disagree without dog piling or lashing out. It seems like it is possible on some threads, but anything dealing with DCP in any way just causes explosions of the worst kind.

One lesson I have learned is that it is just better to let any thread about DCP stand. Since most here hate him, anyone who even attempts to defend him in any way will be dog piled and maligned right along with him.

With regard to dogpiling, it's not a case of dogpiling at all. It's a case of one person who is willing to downplay/make excuses for/waffle about repeated violations of academic honesty on the part of university professor to the point of trying to shut down discussion of said violations by appealing to the emotions of others by warning them that this could wreck his life, but refuses to examine the character of one who repeats those violations because they're a friend.

Your friend is stealing.

You feel dogpiled on because you're the only one defending a thief.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Who am I shaming here? What do you want from me, Doc? An apology? A statement that DCP is a thief? What? I’ve been honest in how I felt about this. The fact that it doesn’t square with your feelings or others is your problem.

It's thinking, not feeling.

Not mine. I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you and other folks here to be able to agree to disagree without dog piling or lashing out. It seems like it is possible on some threads, but anything dealing with DCP in any way just causes explosions of the worst kind.

One lesson I have learned is that it is just better to let any thread about DCP stand. Since most here hate him, anyone who even attempts to defend him in any way will be dog piled and maligned right along with him.

With regard to dogpiling, it's not a case of dogpiling at all. It's a case of one person who is willing to downplay/make excuses for/waffle about repeated violations of academic honesty on the part of university professor to the point of trying to shut down discussion of said violations by appealing to the emotions of others by warning them that this could wreck his life, but refuses to examine the character of one who repeats those violations because they're a friend.

Your friend is stealing.

You feel dogpiled on because you're the only one defending a thief.

I wasn’t trying to shut down discussions. I was trying to emphasize the gravity of what would happen in the case of reporting. The line between online and in real life interactions often becomes blurred. THAT was my goal.

In all of the posts here, I read one person who really got it. That was DrW. Most everyone else was just gleefully seeing how many violations could be piled up. That is what disturbed me. And it is that attitude that I was speaking against. Not so much “defending a thief” but defending against getting your jollies off of someone else’s mistakes or pain.

[_Dr. Shades]

Thanks for the offer, Dr. Shades, but I wouldn't wish that career on anyone!

I am comfortable letting the thread stand, for the reasons I mentioned before, which you may not have seen so I'll repost the relevant part: [SNIP!]

Whew! Thank you, Lemmie. I'm only human, so I was NOT looking forward to spending X amount of time on that later this evening. :-)

[_Jesse Pinkman]

I don’t understand why it is so difficult for you and other folks here to be able to agree to disagree without dog piling or lashing out.

That story is really wearing thin, JP.

I don’t know what the f*** else you want from me. So why don’t you just quit addressing me or talking about me on this thread, and contribute to Lemmie’s OP. In other words, stfu.

The only thing I really have to say to you at this point is what should have said a long time ago. F*** you.

https://i.imgflip.com/1tushc.jpg

There are rules in Terrestrial, and you have broken them repeatedly with your language and imagery. Please stop.

You’re right. I shouldn’t have responded that way or let those who angered me get the best of me just because they were not treating me with respect. It was wrong and I apologize.