Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[Guest]

You’re right. I shouldn’t have responded that way or let those who angered me get the best of me just because they were not treating me with respect. It was wrong and I apologize.

Thank you for the apology but no thank you to your passive aggressive re-write. You said "F*** you" to me in response to a factual listing of evidence. There was no disrespect on my part and if the evidence angered you that is your choice. You have continually blamed your bad decisions in this thread on other people and outside circumstances. Much of the derailing has been your emotional response and its fallout.

I invite you to respond to the facts of the case if you would like to comment further on this thread. Although I have not asked Dr. Shades to split off any posts so far, I will start now if you are unable to move forward and comment on the topic.

[_Jersey Girl]

I wasn’t trying to shut down discussions.

Let's look back at what you've stated because I think it tells a different story from your above claim. Your first post on the thread:

Seriously, guys. Give it a rest.

I was trying to emphasize the gravity of what would happen in the case of reporting. The line between online and in real life interactions often becomes blurred. THAT was my goal.

Why?

If I had a long time staff member whom I discovered committed acts of verifiable child abuse or neglect, do you think I'd turn a blind eye or report them to DHS?

If they repeatedly violated professional ethics by say, violating parent confidentiality, do you think I wouldn't terminate their employment?

For the record, I would follow through on both scenarios.

What you are talking about are the real consequences of unethical conduct by an academic who is in violation of an honor code. If he's academically equipped to hold the position, then he's equipped to abide by the standards of said position. If he fails to do so, he's well aware of the potential consequences. He isn't a vulnerable child for whom one must advocate.

He's an adult who holds a position of academic authority and responsibility.

In all of the posts here, I read one person who really got it. That was DrW. Most everyone else was just gleefully seeing how many violations could be piled up. That is what disturbed me. And it is that attitude that I was speaking against. Not so much “defending a thief” but defending against getting your jollies off of someone else’s mistakes or pain.

I doubt that anyone here is gleeful seeing these violations. More to the point, I think a sense of disgust washes over the reader of threads such as this one.

What pain has he got that people are getting their jollies off on? If he actually were to lose his position, would you consider that pain to be inflicted upon him or self inflicted on account of his own conduct?

This thread documents a history of violation. Who is committing those violations? The OP and posters, or the subject himself?

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

So, apparently seeing a lying thief get his comeuppance by being exposed as such is 'getting our jollies off the thief's misery'.

Give. Me. A. Break.

- Doc

[_Maksutov]

DCP is the general manager and foreman for Mormonism's biggest strawman factory.

[Guest]

...Bottom line: DCP needs to improve his work product in more ways than simply breaking his habit of plagiarizing others.

Excellent summation of the issue, DrW, you view the situation with "longer eyes," as a friend of mine used to say when I was at BYU. The plagiarizing is a simple problem to solve, improving his work product would involve far more effort and is indeed a much more significant issue.

In all of the posts here, I read one person who really got it. That was DrW. . Most everyone else was just gleefully seeing how many violations could be piled up.

You are emphasizing gleefulness that you apparently see, but this thread isn't about that, this thread is about what you accurately defined as the "violations" that are "pil[ing] up." How does one ignore the violations, in favor of concern over how people are ostensibly reacting to knowledge of those violations? The violations are the issue, your interpretation of how people react is irrelevant.

[_Tator]

I conclude that it will not make any difference if a charge of Pasterson's plagiarism was initiated with BYU or any church organization. I make that claim because Pasterson's documented offenses have gone on for years with no effect what so ever. BYU is aware, as well as I am sure, the SCMC is aware and a slew of other "bought and paid for" apologists. They do nothing which is the same as condoning and maybe even encouraging the behavior. Either way Pasterson gets a pass, a sort of Second Anointing "get out of jail free" award for plagiarism.

There is no integrity in the church, BYU, SCMC, paid apologists or especially within DittoCopyPasterson.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

I conclude that it will not make any difference if a charge of Pasterson's plagiarism was initiated with BYU or any church organization. I make that claim because Pasterson's documented offenses have gone on for years with no effect what so ever. BYU is aware, as well as I am sure, the SCMC is aware and a slew of other "bought and paid for" apologists. They do nothing which is the same as condoning and maybe even encouraging the behavior. Either way Pasterson gets a pass, a sort of Second Anointing "get out of jail free" award for plagiarism.

There is no integrity in the church, BYU, SCMC, paid apologists or especially within DittoCopyPasterson.

Well There's a reason the PAC12 took a hard pass on the Y. If the school doesn't police itself it'll be disregarded as the Mormon version of Oral Roberts U.

- Doc

[_Philo Sofee]

I just finished reading the big hullaballoo over at Faith Promoting Rumor about Peterson's plaguing plagarism. One good side effect it has had (on me) is I found another Historical Jesus book I am going to read now! Lol! I am more than seriously curious if it is just more of the same. Peterson, as usual, will always make more out of this issue evidence wise than there is, and misrepresent the mythic case. I can't wait to see how Hutchison does it so I can review it here.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

link? nm, i has found its.

- doc

[_Jesse Pinkman]

Adding to Dr. W's thought, if I were a Mormon and had read the book I just read, I wouldn't touch Nibley with a ten-foot pole. The man was a crackpot, liar, and stolen valor garbage human being. The fact that DCP and others have decided to throw all in with Nibley is astonishing, but points to the fact that Nibs created a little fiefdom out there in Provo built on his lies and false reputation, one that he couldn't secure in the real world.

- Doc

He was an extremely popular author and speaker among the LDS masses, particularly those who attended BYU around the same time I did. (1982-1988).

I actually sat in on one of his guest lectures my Freshman year, and he was very engaging and charismatic. I think that explains the fiefdoms you speak of.