Discussion of the ''DCP / plagiarism'' thread

[_Lemmie]

DrW gave an example of how it took years before his company fired an individual who was guilty of plagiarism. At first, they attempted to work with him, and have him correct his errors, and change his ways.

Jesse, you have referred to DrW's post several times now, but you are not remembering the facts correctly:

We have just finished the long and expensive process of terminating a senior executive in our company because his work products and behavior were negatively affecting the entire organization and alienating the clients and counter parties ...

and

...We worked with our problem executive for some two years. We tried interventions. We tried leaving him alone. We tried restricting his responsibilities and authority. The longer he stayed, the worse it got.

So it was NOT plagiarism, and it was at most TWO years.

The earliest plagiarism by Peterson that I have documented was when he posted last year an essay he himself dated as one he had written in 2002, where he plagiarized a 2002 Krauthammer op-ed piece. (see details here: viewtopic.php?p=1083383 )

So far, a span of 15 years of Peterson's plagiarism has been documented, and his excuse continues to be that it was unintentional?

[_Jesse Pinkman]

DrW gave an example of how it took years before his company fired an individual who was guilty of plagiarism. At first, they attempted to work with him, and have him correct his errors, and change his ways.

Jesse, you have referred to DrW's post several times now, but you are not remembering the facts correctly:

We have just finished the long and expensive process of terminating a senior executive in our company because his work products and behavior were negatively affecting the entire organization and alienating the clients and counter parties ...

and

...We worked with our problem executive for some two years. We tried interventions. We tried leaving him alone. We tried restricting his responsibilities and authority. The longer he stayed, the worse it got.

So it was NOT plagiarism, and it was at most TWO years.

The earliest plagiarism by Peterson that I have documented was when he posted last year an essay he himself dated as one he had written in 2002, where he plagiarized a 2002 Krauthammer op-ed piece. (see details here: viewtopic.php?p=1083383 )

So far, a span of 15 years of Peterson's plagiarism has been documented, and his excuse continues to be that it was unintentional?

What facts am I not stating correctly? According to the quote from DrW’s post that you listed here, they “worked with the problem executive for 2 years.” I stated that it took years to fire the man. I just wasn’t specific as to how long. However, DrW indicated that it was a long process. Also, if you look at the entire conversation that DrW and I had, the reason he was upset about this whole thing was because he had just gone through this situation with his company which involved shoddy work product by the employee in question. Since the topic of conversation was plagiarism, it sounded to me like that was on the plate of shoddy work product that DrW was referring to. If I’m wrong, I’m sure that DrW can correct the error. Maybe I was misinterpreting what he stated happened.

[Guest]

Casting this thread content as a friends vs. enemies issue misses the point. You clearly consider yourself a friend of DCP, and that is your choice.

The problem is that you (and no doubt many others among the faithful) consider those who point out DCP's increasingly numerous and egregious examples of plagiarism and overall substandard work ethic as 'enemies'.

This is the same as characterizing the FAA instructor who closely monitors pilot license exams to prevent cheating as the 'enemy' of those taking the exam.

I understand your point. However, DrW, let me point out a couple of reasons why I stated things the way I did. Many folks here on this thread have admitted actually here and elsewhere, that they are not only not fans of DCP, but genuinely do not like the man. This was established BEFORE this thread was ever created. I'm not saying that EVERYONE on this thread is an enemy to DCP. My comment was slightly tongue-in-cheek in that regard. But the fact is, there are a large number of folks on this site who do not like DCP at all. Did you know that Dan has received anonymous threatening and disgraceful emails from people who at least lurk here, if not post here? The reason he can deduct that much is because the emailer addresses situations touched on in various MDB threads. The man hasn't posted here in close to a decade, yet countless threads are created with DCP as the subject, and I have yet to see ONE speak of him in a positive light. It isn't difficult to draw the conclusion that the bulk of those who post here are certainly not friends of DCP's in any sense of the word.

Thank you for explaining your position. I think DrW's point was that it is not relevant to assessing whether plagiarism had occurred. A point I agree with, which is why your continuing to bring this issue up is just a derailment of the topic.

Also, you are comparing Lemmie, who started the thread, to someone such as an FAA Instructor, who is acting in an official capacity. She is a lay person in this incident.

DrW's point did not rest on the fact that an FAA Instructor is acting in an official capacity. It rests on the fact that someone documenting an error is not doing so because they consider the other person an enemy.

Peterson does indeed seem to think that way, however. His mea culpas are rife with his bewilderment that his enemies could be so cruel and heartless as to notice his plagiarism, over and over and over. Somehow it never occurs to him that if he simply wouldn't plagiarize, his cruel and heartless enemies wouldn't notice it.

[_Lemmie]

What facts am I not stating correctly?

I already pointed that out in the post you are quoting.


The main point in my post you quoted was this:

The earliest plagiarism by Peterson that I have documented was when he posted last year an essay he himself dated as one he had written in 2002, where he plagiarized a 2002 Krauthammer op-ed piece. (see details here: viewtopic.php?p=1083383 )

So far, a span of 15 years of Peterson's plagiarism has been documented, and his excuse continues to be that it was unintentional?

[Guest]

JP,

Would you want to employ someone at your organization who is unqualified to be there, but hides it by poaching other people's ideas? Like, they completely bamboozle everyone into thinking they're competent, but they're only stealing other people's work and ideas?

Because that's what's happening.

- Doc

JP,

I'd like you to answer my question(s) above, since you're participating so actively on this thread.

- Doc

[_DrW]

Also, you are comparing Lemmie, who started the thread, to someone such as an FAA Instructor, who is acting in an official capacity. She is a lay person in this incident.

Not exactly. Lemmie is a college professor - and would clearly not be considered a lay person in the case of a fellow college professor like DCP.

I used the example of the FAA instructor because I have never been in a test situation that was more difficult, stressful, rigorous or closely monitored than that of an FAA license exam. Public safety in air transportation is at stake. As a pilot and an all to frequent airline passenger (like every other airline passenger) I have a stakeholder's interest in strict application of FAA licensing* tests, flight check rides, and guidelines.

In addition to her professional responsibilities, Lemmie also has a stakeholder's interest in maintaining the standards of her profession, just as a pilot (or any airline passenger for that matter) would have a stakeholder's interest in maintaining the highest standards of professionalism in aviation.

_________________________


* It wasn't the pussy grabber in chief who gave the US the year of 2017 without a single commercial airline death or serious injury - it was more than a million well trained and FAA certified pilots, A&P mechanics and air traffic controllers.

In college and university academic testing, everyone involved wants the student to succeed. Successful students reflect well on the professors and the institution as a whole.

In FAA written exams, one gets the opposite vibe. While courteous and professional, those administering the test always seemed to be very skeptical of the student's abilities. They make it clear that the FAA is determined to weed out any who may not be up to standards in every respect.

The tests themselves are long. They have multiple choice sections that are diabolically designed to trap any who might make common mistakes in calculations, or make even slightly uninformed assumptions about what is being asked. Several of the choices may be 'correct'. One must pick the response that is 'more correct' than the others.

[_I have a question]

The first time a person gets caught shoplifting, they claim it was inadvertent. They just put the items in their bag and, because they were busy and a bit rushed, they forgot to pay for them.

The second time the same person gets caught shoplifting, they likewise claim it was inadvertent. Store security are less believing this time, but okay, the shoplifter has promised to not doing it again.

JP, what should store security think of a person who repeatedly gets caught shoplifting across a fifteen year period? Should they accept the claim the shoplifting is still inadvertent?

[_Lemmie]

JP,

Is DCP going to self-report his plagiarism as required under the Honor Code DCP signed and agreed to when he became an employee of BYU.

If so, when? If not, why?

Also, is DCP going to self-report his plagiarism to the D-News?

If so, when? If not, why?

Is DCP going to self-report his plagiarism to Patheos?

If so, when? If not, why?

Here's how Peterson self-reports:

By the way:  I’ve been ridiculed, of late, for my embarrassing scientific ignorance and for my invariable dependence, in my blog entries regarding science, on a comical assortment of flakes, charlatans, and pseudo-scientists.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/danpeterso ... arbon.html

[bolding added.]

Does that qualify as an apology for his repeated, ongoing, uncorrected plagiarism?

[_Kishkumen]

The evidence brought forward to assess whether DCP has plagiarized cannot be biased. The motivation to bring it forward may be, but the evidence itself is not. The evidence either shows a pattern of plagiarism going back over a decade or it does not. People can read the evidence and judge for themselves. Jesse Pinkman needs to reflect on these important differences. Whining about the evidence is a distraction. Asking people not to pursue this line of inquiry has also proven to be pointless.

[_Jesse Pinkman]

JP,

Would you want to employ someone at your organization who is unqualified to be there, but hides it by poaching other people's ideas? Like, they completely bamboozle everyone into thinking they're competent, but they're only stealing other people's work and ideas?

Because that's what's happening.

- Doc

JP,

I'd like you to answer my question(s) above, since you're participating so actively on this thread.

- Doc

I think that you know what my common sense answer would be. Obviously, I wouldn’t.