Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

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Re: Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:19 pm


This is a continued pattern of Dehlin defenders here. When you can no longer defend the documented evidence, attack the accuser. Throw cold water by questioning motives, make all sorts of assumptions about what they are doing and not doing outside of this board.

You're not very clever here, Thranduil. Nor original in your criticisms. This is like the third time someone's tried the above. It gets old.
Yep, that's me, defending John Dehlin, whom I have never met, talked to, or even listened to his podcast. And, suggesting above that Rosebud should have sued him for intentional infliction of emotional distress.....that's a real defense of my good friend John Dehlin.

This is a continued pattern of your posts: you make accusations, claim to have inside knowledge which somehow is never revealed (or supported), ignore simple questions ("what do you want Dehlin to say"), and in the end accuse anyone who asks you pointed questions of being a Dehlin defender.

I don't know you, or Dehlin, or Rosebud, or anyone. I have zero firsthand knowledge of any of this. And, I am a nobody, just another anonymous Reddit poster drawn over here by the astonishment and wanting to understand why any time Dehlin's name is mentioned, the brigades come out, for and against (maybe someone can explain the whole Kate Kelly thing to me sometime, that one baffles me as well). But, I do have three decades of legal experience, some of it relevant, and an objective sense of justice. Your jihad against Dehlin, mostly unsupported by evidence, logic and common sense, suggests that you are part of the anti-Dehlin brigade whose primary tool is looking for any snippet of evidence to support conclusions already reached. But, again, I don't know you, I know only what you have written and I could have everything wrong.

For the record, Dehlin seems like a cretin with astonishingly bad judgment. Hiring Rosebud into the Foundation at a time when he was carrying on at least an emotional affair with her? I would fire a client who did that.
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Thranduil wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:29 pm

This is a continued pattern of your posts: you make accusations, claim to have inside knowledge which somehow is never revealed (or supported),
What inside knowledge have I claimed and not revealed?
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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:41 pm
Thranduil wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 10:29 pm

This is a continued pattern of your posts: you make accusations, claim to have inside knowledge which somehow is never revealed (or supported),
What inside knowledge have I claimed and not revealed?
The pattern continues. You ignore my other questions and responses, and jump on one comment. /shrug

As to your question, I am comfortable letting the record of your posts speak for itself, but here is one example in which you claimed inside knowledge. One example of evidence you have never offered in support is evidence that Dehlin "had been lying to me . . . about his complicity for years." Maybe there is no such evidence (emails, text messages, etc.), or maybe this is a false statement made to encourage readers to not donate to or listen to Dehlin. We will never know.

I'm a former employee of Open Stories Foundation and a former friend of John's. Up until a few years ago, I bought his narrative that Rosebud was just some random stalker lady when it would come up in our conversations (this was back in 2014).

Then, when the Kristy Money stuff happened, I decided to look more into the Rosebud allegations. I went down the rabbit hole of her posts here. That lead me to the Open Stories Foundation 1099s, where I found Rosebud's real name. Through some Google research, I found what appeared to be a valid email address. I reached out and told her I wanted to get her side of the story, after having heard John's. She told me the whole story over the phone, then sent me a trove of documents which I pored through over several weeks.

After doing so, I was convinced that, while an incredibly complicated story, John had at the very least violated Open Stories Foundation's current sexual harassment policy, acted incredibly inappropriately with a subordinate and had been lying to me and other people about his complicity for years.

That pissed me off. But Rosebud asked me not to say or do anything about what I had read. So I pursued looking into Open Stories Foundation's finances. Because I am also under an NDA from when I worked from John, the only thing I could do is point to public records that show that John has repeatedly violated federal tax code in personally benefiting from pass-through tax-deductible donations to himself to fund his PhD and pay for his personal expenses.
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Thranduil wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:19 pm
I am comfortable letting the record of your posts speak for itself
Translation: I'm really struggling to come up with an example.
, but here is one example in which you claimed inside knowledge. One example of evidence you have never offered in support is evidence that Dehlin "had been lying to me . . . about his complicity for years." Maybe there is no such evidence (emails, text messages, etc.), or maybe this is a false statement made to encourage readers to not donate to or listen to Dehlin. We will never know.
Ah! There you go. Seems pretty benign, but okay. Most of that communication took place over the phone. You'll remember that John and I had a professional relationship for six months or so in which we communicated daily via text message and phone. We also kept in touch via Facebook and text message after my employment with Open Stories Foundation ended.

I have one Facebook message from him in which he calls Rosebud a "crazy psycho stalker," clearly insinuating that the accusations were baseless. Would you like me to find that and screen shot it?
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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:29 pm
a "crazy psycho stalker," clearly insinuating that the accusations were baseless. Would you like me to find that and screen shot it?
Whoa. How does one insinuate the other?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not wish to see the screenshot. No interest whatsoever. I am more fascinated on how a healthcare professional declaring that a person is both mentally ill and a felon would insinuate that the accused person's testimony was baseless? HTF can you get from one to the other?
"Everyone else here knows what I am talking about." - jpatterson, June 1, 2021, 11:46 ET
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Post it.

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Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:36 pm
I can't speak for anyone else, but I do not wish to see the screenshot. No interest whatsoever.
Why, because John mentions you in the same conversation?
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jpatterson wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:41 pm

Why, because John mentions you in the same conversation?
Was this a way to deflect and not answer the question?
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Mayan Elephant wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:49 pm

Was this a way to deflect and not answer the question?
Oh, my bad. When I said "insinuated" I really should have said "literally said the accusations were baseless and fraudulent."

Because that's exactly what he said.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:36 pm
Post it.

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Don't laugh, but I really will have to redact a few names from it because it mentions ME's name in real life.
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