LDS Teenager Murdered at her High School in Parkland

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Re: LDS Teenager Murdered at her High School in Parkland

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Stem wrote:
Sometimes the easy is misleading. It's possible if tighter restrictions come into play, and "better" laws are made, that after such are implemented, more people die in mass killings.


In order to be taken seriously you would need to make an argument why tighter restrictions and betters laws would increase the number of people killed in mass shooting. Especially when arguments for why they would go down has already been made, and seen in other countries.

And it takes even less imagination that such a killer simply couldn't have access to these weapons illegally anyway.


It's impossible to ensure zero access, but you can lower it more then enough to significantly reduce the number of events involving more deadly weapons. Also, when something is much harder to obtain, the likelihood of being caught before the event goes up.

I'm a supporter of more gun control. I just don't think it alone addresses our problems that are not fully exposed when these killings happen.


I have repeated this multiple times in this thread, but in the US this is a big problem. It results in a lot more deaths then we see in other western countries with more restrictions and laws governing who can own guns. It seems to main issue is all these innocent people dying or being horribly wounded. Guns play a crucial role in how many get killed and wounded, so guns are a crucial issue.
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Outlawing guns won't work. Prohibition doesn't work.


Actually it does, as is seen in all the other western nations. I'm not advocating for not owning guns, but there needs to be better laws in the US if you ever hope to reduce the numbers of events and the number of people being killed. You should read cinepro's response to my question.
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Yahoo Bot wrote: Unfortunately, The Dude's post is uninformed. There isn't legislation to shield manufacturers. The Courts have construed the Second Amendment to shield manufacturers.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protect ... n_Arms_Act
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Yahoo Bot wrote:Outlawing guns won't work. Prohibition doesn't work.


How many mass shootings with machine guns have there been since 1934, when the Firearms Act was enacted?

By the way, it was the excise tax, not tort damages, that Congress intended to make certain types of firearms prohibitively expensive.
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candygal wrote: That being said..this is a society and mental health issue. You find a kid that has no real home life...always in trouble for attention...and he/she is ripe for brainwash filled with ...we are your family...we got your back...kind of thing..let alone an issue where someone is just hearing voices...we need to do something else..I hope because this shooter is still alive and did not shoot himself..(which is rare) that he can provide a profile of what we can be looking for and for heaven's sakes use those police lines that are available.


Yeah. Like, what if the profile was white nationalism, and the voice in his head belonged to Donald Trump?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nikolas-c ... ref=scroll
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Someone on Facebook posted this. A guy named Sean Whalen took to the internet and I listened to his rant several times and I just don't know how to interpret this any other way than him blaming the kids at the school for failing to tell authorities about this murderer. He even calls them snowflakes and starts babbling the usual Right Wing talking point about how the new generation has been raised improperly.

I googled him and apparently he's from Orem, Utah - not sure if he's LDS. He's a former MMA fighter and a gun fanatic who started some real estate company that is accused of being a scam on several watchdogs sites. His Facebook page is full of pro Trump propaganda and he brags about getting his three children involved with guns. Anyway, here is his unhinged rant. It seems to me that now the NRA supporters have decided to no longer just "ignore' these tragic events but instead start blaming anything and everything else except guns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcmfObVKiyI
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Kevin Graham wrote: blaming the kids at the school for failing to tell authorities


Right? Why didn't anyone tell the FBI? Or local police? Or teachers?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/Florida ... be-n848316

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43071710

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/n ... oting.html
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Darth J wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote: blaming the kids at the school for failing to tell authorities


Right? Why didn't anyone tell the FBI? Or local police? Or teachers?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/Florida ... be-n848316

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43071710

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/14/us/n ... oting.html


That's exactly what I said on his Facebook post. Why not blame the FBI instead of the kids? He deleted my comment.
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Now they're saying he was a White Supremacist
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Trump just took to Twitter saying the kids need to report these things to authorities. Are you effing kidding me?>
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