Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Post it.

- Doc

Don't laugh, but I really will have to redact a few names from it because it mentions ME's name in real life.

> redact

So, it’ll take three weeks then? Still waitin’ on them redacted docs on Rosebud’s site, by the way.

[jpatterson]

LOL.


Here you go: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nbWJsI ... sp=sharing

This was a series of Facebook messages back and forth from September of 2014. You'll see the "crazy psycho stalker" comment on the first page, then on Page 3, he calls Rosebud's accusations "baseless" and "fraudulent."

[Thranduil]

*poof*

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

LOL.


Here you go: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nbWJsI ... sp=sharing

This was a series of Facebook messages back and forth from September of 2014. You'll see the "crazy psycho stalker" comment on the first page, then on Page 3, he calls Rosebud's accusations "baseless" and "fraudulent."

Thanks. That’s not you he’s talking to is it?

- Doc

[jpatterson]

Okie dokie, Captain Distraction. You do whatever you think is appropriate in the circumstances.

You accused me of insinuating that I have inside knowledge without backing it up with evidence.

You came up with one benign example, which I refuted. Now you're playing a game of semantics because you're actually the one who can't back up your accusations.

Your schtick is really tired.

[jpatterson]

Thanks. That’s not you he’s talking to is it?

- Doc

Ha.

Ha.

[Thranduil]

Okie dokie, Captain Distraction. You do whatever you think is appropriate in the circumstances.

You accused me of insinuating that I have inside knowledge without backing it up with evidence.

You came up with one benign example, which I refuted. Now you're playing a game of semantics because you're actually the one who can't back up your accusations.

You schtick is really tired.

What you posted does not prove a lie, which is what I asked for. But, yes, you posted something. Kudos.

If by "schtick" you mean "did not go through 222 pages and cut and paste every time Mr. Patterson failed to answer a question or provide support for a claim," I plead guilty. As for the word "tired," that's kind of a ridiculous word to use in a thread like this, don't you think?

In your conversations with Rosebud, and if you are permitted to answer given your NDA or confidentiality request, did Rosebud ever tell you why she didn't sue Dehlin directly? That seems like what most people would have done, if these events really happened the way she describes.

[jpatterson]

What you posted does not prove a lie, which is what I asked for.

Again, semantics.

If by "schtick" you mean "did not go through 222 pages and cut and paste every time Mr. Patterson failed to answer a question or provide support for a claim," I plead guilty.

Then maybe you shouldn't accuse people of stuff you're not going to even attempt to back up.

As for the word "tired," that's kind of a ridiculous word to use in a thread like this, don't you think?

It's not just this thread. It's the whole episode. Yes, I am indeed tired of seeing John pop up every six months and claim the CoJCoLDS is out to get him and there's a conspiracy to dredge up baseless accusations against him. I'm tired of him continually positioning himself as a victim. I'm tired of hearing from women who have worked with him who reach out to me to tell me about what a monster he is.

So yes, tired is absolutely descriptive of how I feel.

In your conversations with Rosebud, and if you are permitted to answer given your NDA or confidentiality request, did Rosebud ever tell you why she didn't sue Dehlin directly? That seems like what most people would have done, if these events really happened the way she describes.

I'm not going to discuss my private conversations with Rosebud, least of all with you. You can go listen to her interview for information on why she did what she did.

I will say, though, that saying "that seems like what most people would have done" tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge of people who have experienced harassment and abuse.

[Thranduil]

Again, semantics.

In my world, accusing someone of "lying over years" is not semantics, but you think whatever makes you comfortable.

Then maybe you shouldn't accuse people of stuff you're not going to even attempt to back up.

Well, for the record, I did back it up, with one example -- an actual real live quote of what you wrote, which claim you have yet to support.

Make you a deal: if you provide proof for that one claim I identified, I will come up with a second example that needs support. We can play that game all day.

I'm tired of hearing from women who have worked with him who reach out to me to tell me about what a monster he is.

That must be so tiring. I truly feel for you. It's unfortunate none of them ever sued him. Maybe that would have prevented others from falling into this situation.

I'm not going to discuss my private conversations with Rosebud, least of all with you. You can go listen to her interview for information on why she did what she did.

I will say, though, that saying "that seems like what most people would have done" tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge of people who have experienced harassment and abuse.

I'm not surprised that one statement by me "tells you all you need to know" about what I know. That statement speaks volumes, but probably not in the way you intended.

[jpatterson]

I'm not surprised that one statement by me "tells you all you need to know" about what I know. That statement speaks volumes, but probably not in the way you intended.

Tell me this: what is the main reason sexual harassment/assault survivors never come forward?